All-Time MMA Rankings

In fact, Hatsu Hioki should be closing in on the top 25 as well.

Aldo finally caught Faber on the featherweight list…. well, it was always just a matter of time.

Wow, Rampage has moved into first place on the light heavyweight list. I find that ranking at least plausible, but I suspect that if you polled on this issue you would get more votes for Chuck, Wand, and probably Jones than you would for Rampage. This seems to show the value of this method of ranking fighters — it brings out these sorts of things with subjective rankings usually miss. I think he has been underrated for most of his career anyway.

Wow… Dominick Cruz wasn’t even in the top ten on the bantamweight all-time list a few months ago and now he’s #3.

Not that I’m complaining.

Nevermind, the bug was pretty simple to resolve. It did affect Kunioku considerably, but not enough to move his rank down.

I’ll keep looking. I have a feeling these non-heavyweights are being over-rewarded for the old Pancrase bouts.

I just noticed that four of the five japanese fighters on the bantamweight list are either retired or should be. Meanwhile, the five americans on the list are still doing fairly well. As there are other american fighters also doing very well (mostly in the WEC), it seems that the americans are poised to dominate the bantamweight list over the next couple of years.

Sorry if its been asked before but where is Sakuraba? Before loosing to Igor surely he was p4p number 1 or close to it? Filho and Gomi over him…. I really like the current rankings I think your doing a great job but the all time ones confuse me.

I know it must seem as if I do nothing but complain, but it’s only because I’m very fond of this site and would like to see it reach it’s full potential. Anyways, keep up the good work.

Yeah, I’ve got no problem with Henderson in the top ten. Marquardt way up there at #12 is the one that I’ll never agree with.

will rousey crack the top 25 now? 2/24/2013

Those guys look weak historically, but were obviously much better back then, ability-wise and relative to the competition — Particularly Kiuma Kunioku.

Silva/GSP/Fedor/Hughes are going to have some staying power. They are the tier 1 legends of the sport.

I think the rest of those guys you see in the top 25 except for Aldo, Jon Jones and maybe Rashad and Melendez are going to get swallowed up. Only reason I list them as maybes is because I think they still have time left to do things…

There’s actually a bug I just found in the absolute calculation… Have to fix that.

I’m really surprised that Fitch isn’t in the top 25 on the absolute list.

Nate Marquardt at #13 is the one that shocks me the most.

11 Henderson
12 Faber
13 Marquardt
14 Barnett
15 Ortiz
16 Rampage
17 Filho
18 Shogun
19 Sherk
20 Machida
21 CroCop
22 Aoki
23 Franklin
24 Ribeiro
25 Sakurai

It seems like the abolute rankings may over-reward multi-divisional accomplishments. Seems very strange to me that Chuck Liddell could be behind Dan Henderson.

There are some things affecting Sakuraba that are not normally seen:

1 He bounced between divisions very frequently.
2 Some of his biggest name wins came against those fighters before they hit their primes.
3 MMA was weak when he was at his best.
4 He should have retired years ago.
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#1 is being accounted for. #2 causes many to overrated him and you could argue that in this type of system, he is not getting proper credit. #3 affects his rating negatively, as does #4. These are CAREER-long rankings and I do not have any logic in place to not penalize a fighter if he hangs around (in this case -WAY-) past his prime. The penalty he receives as a result of #4 is small, but is there.

In any case, he’s just outside the Top 25 at Light Heavy.

I know I’ve said this before, but the way these rankings calculate is more like a rolling average, whereas the current rankings show more immediate, harsh changes.

In other words, I wouldn’t expect massive changes tomorrow.

It looks like some sort of changes in the system? I just noticed that Liddell passed Jackson at light heavyweight and Sherk passed Franklin yet again. Roussey just moved up two more spots as well.

Thanks for the prompt reply. As always, it’s greatly appreciated.

New all-time rankings will be released this week — probably tomorrow.

I’ll be looking forward to the new rankings.

Does anyone know why Barnett, Franklin, Marquart and Fitch are on the absolute list when CroCop isn’t? He is the only superstar missing from it. He was a far superior fighter to the 4 I just mentioned.

#25 sounds like a decent spot then.

Ribeiro rode near the top of the division for quite a while.. and to do so, he had to get some good wins. I will however, look at the code.. as I had planned an optimization anyhow..

JCS I was wondering if I could bother you to dig out a stat for me. Im doing a Hall of Fame on the armbar and Im thinking about Jeremy Horn.

You recently posted that Hendo was the 1st man to crack the top 50 in 3 devisions, I was wondering what Horn ranked at Hw at the highest, I know he drew with Severn and after he beat Liddell I could be wrong but he got another Hw win in UFC.

Was curious to know how high he got at Hw if it isnt a hastle to dig out the stats. Cheers mate.

The same reason that BJ Penn is ahead of Urijah Faber.

Once a month, usually on the 2nd or 3rd.

Ummm, Gomi over BJ? Whaaat? Makes no sense at all. BJ faced tougher competition, fought out of his weight class, held a UFC belt, dominated the lightweight division, is a two division UFC champ, and utterly DOMINATED Gomi. What did Gomi really do? Crush a bunch of cans and then get smoked by any haf decent fighter he fights in the UFC, that’s what.

ps I appreciate your feedback 🙂

Interesting… what is the criteria for such a blended list?

This DD list is a little different.. you have to have some good tenure in the division to make the all-time list.

BJ fighting outside of the division means nothing for his Lightweight ranking — it actually takes away from it because it means he spent time in other divisions that he could’ve spent at Lightweight. Notice BJ is ranked at Welterweight and also has points at Middleweight. Also notice BJ is higher in the Absolute ranking.

Gomi spent his entire career at Lightweight.

It’s actually pretty close between 1 and 2, but Gomi has it based on much, much more worthwhile longevity in the division. It’s like Sandy Koufax (BJ) vs. Nolan Ryan (Gomi).

Now, even if Penn never goes back to 155.. he COULD eventually catch Gomi. It’s unlikely, but possible — we do backfill data as it comes along and if Gomi tanks hard, even though we mostly discount past-prime mega losing.. it’s not totally discounted.

That’s mostly true, but I cannot completely exclude it from consideration. It’s also kind of tough to gauge the primes of fighters that are still fighting… If it continues to be a problem I’ll take a look at it, though prime or no prime, I think this latest stint may have proven that Gomi would have had issues hanging in the UFC back in his prime. and personally, at this point I think 13th is better than 8th for him IMO.

Absolutely, I’ve always thought that Gomi was somewhat overrated. In fact, I still believe that many fighters who fought mostly in Japan during their primes tend to be overrated. I know that you’ve made some adjustments to deal with this problem, but in my opinion, not enough.

Thanks for the info. That’s about what I expected, they could reach the top 25 by the end of the year.

I know the routine- I fully expect a few small changes at most.

I really do cringe at the thought of DeLucia, Mezger and Kondo being on the all-time heavyweight list. I’m not sure Schlitt, Rutten and Funaki belong there, either. I realize that it’s not going to happen, but I actually wish that you’d ignore Pancrase’s open-hand era altogether. At the very least you could weight it so these guys didn’t get so much credit for beating a bunch of mediorcre, blown-up welterweight and middleweights with silly rules.

I don’t make guesses on these lists anymore =), but Faber has a lot of room between himself and Aldo.

They disappeared for a day… back now.

LOL… What does Crop Cop’s success in K-1 kickboxing have to do with his ranking on the all-time absolute MMA list? And like I already said, Cro Cop was a top quality MMA fighter for 4-5 years and was never higher than the number 3 guy in his division even then.

Meanwhile, Franklin was briefly #1 in his division and near the top for several years. Barnett has been a top 10 heavyweight for about 13 years (although it’s been several years since he’s beaten a top 10 heavyweight). Fitch was the #2 or #3 welterweight for about 6 years. I do think Marquardt is overrated, but even he was a top 10 middleweight for most of the last 10 or 12 years.

Basically, Cro Cop’s time near the top wasn’t long enough to justify him being on this list. Similar to Tito Ortiz, time has past him by and he fell off the list. Rich Franklin will soon follow him. And Fitch soon afterwards.

Igor is #15 Heavyweight currently. Sakuraba spent too much time shifting around weight classes to be in any Top 25. Frank is #9 at Light Heavy as you’ll notice above. Severn and Royce are bottom of Top 20, we rate on accomplishment, not pioneer status or name value. Rickson is somewhere around #50 Heavyweight/Open

Also , how the hell is Almeida on the MW list when Evan Tanner isn’t? , Ridiculous

I think I know something that will assist the issue, but will need time to test. Basically, my adjustment for the early Pancrase stuff is too strong and does not consider a few early aspects of MMA and the challenges that Pancrase brought upon it.

Why is Lindland ahead of Henderson , and how the hell is Schilt number 8 at HW?

These rankings are a mixture time-based and raw accomplishment-based due to them being a career ranking.

You don’t want to award a “flash in the pan” too heavily, nor do you want to award a longtime fringe contender a top 10 spot.

Edgar’s career is pretty young and as such, he’s behind guys like Florian and Melendez, but obviously he’s ascending at a faster rate than those guys.

Pulver on the other hand has some important wins early in the “pioneer” 155 days. He also held alofty ranking for extended periods. A lot of the wins don’t look good on name value, but even wins like Dennis Hallman and Phil Johns (at the time) were very good wins.

What do you mean by “run off”?

How is DC rated so low when he has only lost once

You have a Heavyweight bias.

Rutten had a 4ish year stay at the top in one division when MMA was in its infancy. Faber was an elite fighter in two divisions for roughly a decade at a point when the sport is much much stronger.

How many all-time Heavyweight greats did Rutten beat? In reality, Rutten was a Light Heavy hanging in Pancrase, beating up on undersized fighters. I’m not downplaying the guy’s career, because as you said, he’s in our Top 10 HW All-Time list.. but come on.

If you thought the Absolute list was a Royal Rumble of sorts.. you are wrong.

“Hover over the division dominance list to view the weight class info and peak dominance date.”

This part is gone n

So McGregor is #1 FW of all time because he beat Aldo, and left the division? Should Weidman be #1 MW because he beat Silva? I don’t think you understand how the “all time” rankings work.

Is it possible to see more than just the top 25 absolute all time rankings?

DJ is now #42

Great idea! it would be cool if you gave a more detailed explanation as to how these rankings are calculated. You should also consider making a peak dominance ranking if that is possible

He didn’t necessarily peak .. his division lead peaked.

Hey now.. its a prestigious thing to get into the Top 10 :).

Seriously, when you leave the Top 10, in most divisions, guys are very close together. Add fluctuations in, and you’ve got people moving up and down constantly. Really, these rankings will only solidify after guys retire and if we ever finalize data.

In other words, I’d like to keep it at 10 for now.

where are royce and rickson gracie, sakuraba, franck shamrock, dan severn and igor??????

You can’t.

That top 3 is pretty lofty like it is at LHW, but Rousey should get to #4 fairly quickly.

The real “run” is up now. Yesterday’s was an intermediate of sorts..

Marquardt’s career seems to be finally winding down…he should start slidind down the all-time list over the next several months.

It already works this way Mark.

Having the “peak DD” in All-Time is tough… because as long as the new #1 beats the old #1 while the old #1 is still in his prime… the new #1 will be higher ranked in all-time DD because the divisions keep getting stronger and the distance between #1 and the division norm will keep getting wider.

It was a rather weak field by K-1 GP standards, compared to Mirko’s glory days. Wonder if he will retire now on a high note, having finally won a title.

Just a thought but Maby the absolute rankings need slightly different Criteria, Gomi’s career has also gone down the sh1tter as well and he achieved a lot less than Saku ever did in terms of who he beat. He hasn’t many Great career wins and even if you overlook the Diaz loss has a poor head to head record with ranked fighters. Saku on the other hand has been in with much better opponents and has a better head to head record with greats.

Saku in my head should at least be top 10, the Current rankings if say number 3 Mw moves to Lhw he might be ranked at 5th… this shows that fighting bigger guys is harder and should maby be shown somehow in the absolute rankings. I think maby its something to consider in an eara where weight classes werent as defined?

Jcs, Could you tell us where Dominick Cruz and Diego Sanchez are ranked on the all-time absolute list?

Did not expect Fedor to get overtaken…

It’s nice to see that Aldo finally made the Absolute list. I’d expect him to to move up very rapidly over the next year or so. I also expect him to replace Faber as #1 on the all-time featherweight list sometime next year.

Barnett is on the list and Cro Cop destroyed him 3 times. Cro Cop was the most feared striker in the world, hanged with Fedor, dominated Big Nog before getting submitted, ended Wanderlei’s reign at the top, and carried out so many highlight reel knockouts – plus he crossed over from a different combat sport in which he was also successful in K1. Marquart, Frnaklin and Fitch haven’t doen anything near as impressive.

Hmm Hector Lombard surpassed Tanner on this latest update.

At first glance, it may seem strange, but Tanner had a grand total of 5 wins at Middleweight. Yes, one was a UFC championship fight for a vacant belt.. against David Terrell, a 5-1 fighter.

Lombard has dozens of wins at Middleweight. Tanner may have achieved a higher peak, but it was extremely short.

It’s about time I saw some realistic rankings p4p wise. Good work guys, finally another MMA site that keeps it real.

I would really really like to see a top 20 for the all-time rankings. The number of fighters involved is so much greater than with the “Current” rankings. A top 10 doesn’t seem to tell the full story.

Fighters can move down as a result of losses, data changes, certain metrics, etc. However, its going to mostly be an upward trend. We just released a metric update, which saw some changes. The algorithm also has a data segmentation component, as well as falling back on the database itself for some parameters…. not to mention code changes.

Edgar/Florian are a little ahead of Maynard, although obviously Florian is stalling a bit. I don’t think Maynard makes it in by the end of this year. Who knows? We have your prediction on record.

Any chance you could show the number of spots a fighter moved up or down since the last update?

Nice to see GSP in the #2 spot- it’s long overdue.

Fedor being #1 in his division for 7 years
how is not that the best division dominance?

Kiuma Kunioku burst onto the scene as the #4 Welterweight of All-Time after reclassification of some older Pancrase bouts. As (conceivably) a Welterweight, Kunioku beat much larger, notable fighters such as Guy Mezger, Frank Shamrock, Yuki Kondo, and Masakatsu Funaki.

Many of his early Pancrase bouts (as well as Marquardt’s) that were held within set divisional limits straddled the line between our Middleweight and Welterweight ranges. Just recently, I found more info that suggested they were technically Welterweight bouts (even though they were for the Middleweight KoP titles).

This seems to have placed the Pancrase credit for Kunioku to Welterweight, and I believe before he received the credit for Heavyweight (because a “real” division could not be ascertained).

To be perfectly honest, there’s no good way to handle the old Pancrase bouts for the non-Heavyweights.

If you ask me, Welterweight is a crap shoot below #3 anyway.

I believe I did find a bug though that would improperly reward non-heavyweights in the old Pancrase days… Ahh. it will be a beast to fix though. Stay tuned.

There is an issue with Cain Velasquez ranking. He needs his win over Travis Browne factored in. I clicked on him and it has him at 13-2 with his last fight being Werdum. I don’t know if it will affect his ranking but it’s an issue

How about having separate lists for each women’s division?

How is Mighty Mouse only 20 in the absolute division? He’s tied the record for title defenses. While flyweight isn’t the strongest division 10 defenses that include 2 wins over the likes of Benavidez and Dodson, as well as wins over Horiguchi and Cejudo should count for something. Especially considering these have all been incredibly dominate performances. I would think that should at least land him a spot in the top ten.

I’d really like to know how you can put Bas Rutten in the top 10 heavyweights of all time but put guys like weidman, machida, cain, werdum, Jackson and freaking Faber…..FABER ahead of him in the absolute list.

The All-Time Peak Division Dominance list is gone entirely. There were some issues with the algorithm generating that list, and the results it produced often defied common sense. We’ve been tossing around some ideas for another all-time list to replace the DD-Peak, but haven’t settled on anything yet…

Ha, ha, ha, – Women (Open)
This is fuc..ng joke!!!
… ,,the best” experts do this !

Aldo better than mcgregor? Didn’t mcgregor knock him out with one hit for the fastest championship knockout to ever happen? As far as featherweight is concerned, mcgregor is number 1 and has dominated that division with ease.

Anderson is the best because he has defeated way more difficult talent and he moved up in divisions to take on even heavier competittors. Gsp got beat up for 30 seconds and stopes the fight. Anderson got beat up for 3 or 4 rounds and still won so better endurance. Plus when was the last time gsp knocked someone out in highlight fashion. Anderson does it like every time he fights

I agree with ccrider, except that GSP lost only twice, and avenged both losses in impressive fashion (twice, in the case of Matt Hughes, one of the all-time greats). I respect those who disagree or have different preferences, but GSP evolved from his earlier “Rush” persona to become a supremely intelligent and tactical fighter, able to beat fighters of any style, frequently at their own games, out-boxing strikers and out-wrestling decorated wrestlers. He also dominated a division absolutely loaded with talent; in my view, neither Fedor nor the Spider fought as many top opponents, so GSP should get some credit for that.

Only three losses. One on a lucky haymaker. All but one decision was unanimous…..which means he dominated throughout. He had the stamina to go five rounds as he put on clinics. Not many fighters can go 5 rounds routinely and dominate. He dominated prolific college wrestlers at their own game, submitted Matt Hughes and BJ Penn. Fought Koshcek, Hughes, Serra, Fitch, Penn, Alves, Hardy, Shields, Condit, Diaz, Hendricks in that order winning all. Even though the #1 status is arguable with other fighters….Silva’s impromptu string of losses hurts him. His multiple skills as an athlete and fighter are clear and unequivocal.

GSP over Silva? A guy that stays years needing judges to win fights? His winnings are most by judges. This rankings is ridiculous.

A troublesome part of compiling Absolute rankings is determining a fair method of weighting (pardon the pun) the divisions against each other. As you can see, we are being more than fair to the lighter divisions given the standings of Edgar and Faber.

Cruz is knocking on the door at #27.

Absolute = Mighty Mouse and Dominick Cruz need to get in top 10.

Heavyweight = How is Werdum not #2?

Light Heavyweight = How is Wanderlei above Rampage and Shogun?

Middleweight = Romero needs to get in the top 10. How is Jacare below Sonnen and Marquart? Bisping deserves to be higher.

Welterweight = Jake Shields has to be above Fitch and where is Wonderboy?

Lightweight = Rafael Does Anjos is absolutely #1. Frankie and Henderson are above Penn.

Featherweight = Max Holloway needs to be top 10. Frankie Edgar and Conor McGregor are both top 3 with Aldo being #1 of course.

Bantamweight = How is Dillashaw below Barao? Dillashaw is #2.

Flyweight = Benavidez and Dodson are both top 3.

Women = Cyborg is #1. How are Holm and Joanna that low and how is Tate not top 5?
#1 Cyborg
#2 Rousey
#3 Joanna
#4 Tate
#5 Holm

Not sure how your absolute or division dominance is figured, but your low placement or lack thereof regarding Demetrious Johnson is concerning to the formula

Crook to see Lyoto Machida get his due. I don’t think that Matt Hughes should be over jones though

don’t forget, your ratings software itself was written by fanboys!

I’m as big a Fightmatrix advocate as anyone, but it’s ridiculous that you guys seem to actually think that the system isn’t biased based on whatever arbitrary rules you used to create/weight/update the algorithm.

You may think the rules are arbitrary but they apply equally to every fighter. I’m a huge Matt Hughes fan just as an example, but I don’t advocate modifying any rules to give Hughes an artificial advantage. So how does “fanboy-ism” factor into this?

I mean, Women (Open) !!!

Ridiculous and unjust ranking! Decided by fanboy’s!!!

No Mighty Mouse in the absolute rankings?

All-Time Rankings down for maintenance.. working on a bug fix (or exploit fix, if you will).

LFC 42 – Legacy Fighting Championship 42. A very good fighter!!!!

It would be interesting to show past all-time rankings.

The problem here is Hendricks was gassed out byt the GSP fight. Second he LOST ! get over it yankee !. as Dan White ahs said many times , “do not leave it in the hands of the judges”. if this was non title fight then who knows. But the score cards said it all. Was it a close fight, YES.And on another note one does not have to have the best face face after a gith nor during. The Hendrik’ s punch’s landed but few of them. take a ook a this fight again bro. And Dan White? he is so much dis-respect full of the fighters who fight in the UFC. Not give GSP the belt by putting it round his waist after was a real slap in the face. More damage then anything Hendriks could have thrown. try being a class act like GSP and you get dammed for it. Act like a total goon like Henricks and you praise. that`s how most americans think. Oh yah forgot you won all thw world wars and more.

GSP shouldn’t even be considered.
He got beat by Hendricks, but got a gift decision, then he ran away so he didn’t have to fight him again. That is NOT the actions of The Greatest Fighter of All Time.

GSP shouldn’t even be considered.
He got beat by Hendricks, but got a gift decision, then he ran away so he didn’t have to fight him again. That is NOT the actions of The Greatest Fighter of All Time.

Your tone is silly.. 2 positions give you so much grief, really?

hahaha GSP number 1 wtf are you serious. In my eyes it should go anderson silva, jon jones then gsp

What are you on about? Incomprehensible.

Your Argument Was Silva vs GSP But Ten At The End You Chose Liddell Or Couture???
Besides GSP Many Times Said He Would Take That Silva Fight But It Would Take A Year Of Training To Jump Up To The Middle Weight Because GSP Walks Around In The Upper 180’s & Silva Walks Around In The Lower 220’s
Fighters Can BULK Up Like MIR Tried To Do Against Lesnar Or They Cut Weight Like Lesnar Has To To Make The 165lb HW Limit

Have to look at that. My belief is ‘yes’, but w/ consideration to all divisions.. so it’s not apples to apples with the Men.

Are women included in the Peak Division Dominance calculations?

GSP deserves the #1 ranking. Nobody else has ever beaten that many top fighters, and he dominated most of them.

The p4p all time list is the biggest joke ever. GSP over SIlva? That’s the biggest crock ever. Especially since GSP was scared to fight Anderson. People always said that Anderson is too big for GSP, but no one said that when GSP fought Serra. And, Serra won the first fight. GSP was a great fighter, but he wasn’t the GOAT. I’d take Liddell or Couture over GSP.

This is a bad way to see who should be the highest ranking mma fighter, especially since GSP’s later career was a snooze fest and Anderson Silva’s later career in his prime was fking amazing.

MMA is still too young and too tumultuous to do any kind of projections like that.

Have you considered posting long-term projections based on the ratings? IOW, using the ranking system and historical data to figure out the likelihood that the 6 – 0 Fighter X will be in the top 10 three years from now? Or in the all-time rankings ten years from now?

Damn, Cro Cop gets NO respect on these rankings. Not on the all time Top 25? #9 heavyweight of all time? … SMFH. These rankings, overall, are a joke. “Division Dominance (Peak): 1. Chris Weidman” … Really? Ugh. Marquardt #2 Middleweight of all time? WHAT? Yasuhiro Urushitani, the greatest Flyweight of all time? …

Smfh. What a joke.

Does anyone else feel that Mirko CroCop is the only superstar from that era that’s missing from the Absolute rankings?

The Women’s rankings seem kinda out of whack.

i should clarify…out of whack a little assuming the difference bewteen #s is more than minute. If people next to each other could easily be swapped, then maybe not. Though, even though I don’t like her as a fighter, I’m surprised Cyborg isn’t ranked higher, unless her PED use was considered. She’s pretty dominant in the cage.

Yeah… I’d just associate a high DD ranking with dominant champion, weak division, or both. Neither is the case here.

It’s gotta be just the odd distribution of points among the top guys. Silva and Belfort must fall into the exclusion band, and everyone else in top 10 is pretty much in dead heat in the low 300’s.

Very strange to see Chris Weidman as #4 peak DD of all time. Even more odd is that his peak DD rating is higher than Anderson Silva’s peak.

What do you mean by “run off”?

The Absolute rankings appear to have run off.

Even ignoring CroCop winning K1, the success he had in it before he went into MMA makes his MMA success more incredible.

K-1 hasn’t been relavent in at least ten years.

CroCop winning K1! I know it’s a different combat sport but surely what this man has achieved in K1 makes his MMA successes even more impressive! If his place was switched with Josh Barnett’s in the heavyweight rankings they would be perfect.

How is Gilbert Melendez above Shogun when he hasn’t fought in the UFC? He hasn’t fought any of the top lightweights of the UFC yet he’s above Shogun who’s fought a who’s-who of the lightheavy weight division. How are Faber and Marquart above Shogun as well? Cheers, Mark.

If the light-heavyweight fighters and the heavyweight fighters were given more points for being in more challenging and tougher divisions, would this knock Anderson Silva off the top spot in the absolute rankings?

I have 145.. while Gomes came in “over” at 149. This was not confirmed by a commission report.

He’s ranked #37. He’s being held back a bit by only having three fights (two wins) in the division. He should get into the list before the end of the year though, assuming he gets another win… he’s just being throttled by some of the metrics.

It looks like some sort of changes in the system? I just noticed that Liddell passed Jackson at light heavyweight and Sherk passed Franklin yet again. Roussey just moved up two more spots as well.

Nice to see Ronda finally listed.

Why is Matt gabel no longer listed on shortest win average?

will rousey crack the top 25 now? 2/24/2013

I absolutely love this site! The rankings for each division are very near spot on! I’ve mentioned this before but the absolute division is the only one I think is inaccurate because it doesn’t take into account the difference in quality between the divisions. Faber, Marquart and Melendez above Shogun! Melendez hasn’t even fought Edgar/Maynard/Henderson/pettis/Diaz/Penn and he’s above Shogun!!! And CroCop has to be on the list. Barnett is on the list and how many men dominate barnett 3 times!! Top quality site though, keep up the good work.

Now I’m wondering just how far down the list Cro Cop has slid… He must be 34th or worse- Dos Santos is 33rd and higher than Cro Cop in the all-time heavyweight rankings (and both of them have spent their entire mma careers at heavyweight, with no input from other divisions).

I know what you are saying but the rankings don’t take into account the fact that the middleweight division has always been a B class division with B level fighters. If CroCop was a middleweight he would have never lost. You can’t just assume that each division has the exact same quality of fighters. Even now the middlweight division is devoid of superstar talent apart form Anderson of course.

Barnett is on the list and Cro Cop destroyed him 3 times. Cro Cop was the most feared striker in the world, hanged with Fedor, dominated Big Nog before getting submitted, ended Wanderlei’s reign at the top, and carried out so many highlight reel knockouts – plus he crossed over from a different combat sport in which he was also successful in K1. Marquart, Frnaklin and Fitch haven’t doen anything near as impressive.

I don’t have any problems with Cro Cop being left left off, but I’ll never agree with Marquardt being way up there at #14.

how close is rousey to the top 25?

Thanks for the quick info.

Cain #29, JDS #33

why isn’t ronda rousey ranked yet?

Come to think of it, Dos Santos and Velasquez should both reach the top four on the heavyweight list sometime in 2013, just before they enter the top 25 on the absolute list.

I’m guessing that Velasquez and Dos Santos will both be in the top four of the all-time heavyweight list within a couple of years. I’m also thinking that they will both reach the top 25 on the absolute list sometime in 2013.

Is it inevitable that the fighters at the top of the Absolute list will move down the list as the sport progresses and grows? Where do you think Fedor/GSP/Silva/Hughes/Big Nog will be on the list ten years from now?

wow Ms. rhonda not on the top 25 how many of her victims are on that list

Love this site, the rankings are so accurate… almost! Where is cro-cop in the pound-for-pound list? I feel he was a far superior fighter to marquart, franklin, barnett, etc… I don’t know if these rankings take into account that the middleweight division has always been far weaker than the light-heavyweight division. But other than that it’s a quality site!

Any chance you could show the number of spots a fighter moved up or down since the last update?

Jones hasn’t spent enough time at or near the top of his division. Give it another 6-12 months.

I don’t understand why Jones isn’t ranked on Absolute.

3rd highest at his peak, with over 16 fights and he isn’t passed guys like Edgar who have had less fights, or guys like Machida who have had barely more fights but a LOT less notable wins than Jones?

Aldo finally caught Faber on the featherweight list…. well, it was always just a matter of time.

This new list is sort of interesting, but I’d much rather see the all-time absolute list expanded to 50 fighters.

Thanks for the prompt reply. As always, it’s greatly appreciated.

Jcs, Could you tell us where Dominick Cruz and Diego Sanchez are ranked on the all-time absolute list?

Did Horn ever get ranked as a Hw? What was the highest ranking he posted on current rankings as a Hw if he did?

Where would he feature on the career list as a heavyweight as well?

Thanks again.

JCS I was wondering if I could bother you to dig out a stat for me. Im doing a Hall of Fame on the armbar and Im thinking about Jeremy Horn.

You recently posted that Hendo was the 1st man to crack the top 50 in 3 devisions, I was wondering what Horn ranked at Hw at the highest, I know he drew with Severn and after he beat Liddell I could be wrong but he got another Hw win in UFC.

Was curious to know how high he got at Hw if it isnt a hastle to dig out the stats. Cheers mate.

Are these rankings automatically re-calculated once a fighter in the list was updated in the current MMA rankings?
Like JDS who has gone to #1 in the HW div, do you have to manually trigger the update in the all-time HW div or is it done automatically?

Update coming today. Improved precision on two metrics for division equalization and magnification of the top P4P fighters before divisions really existed. No real changes except for some old-timers like Royce moving up. May also cause shuffling in the overall.

Absolutely, I’ve always thought that Gomi was somewhat overrated. In fact, I still believe that many fighters who fought mostly in Japan during their primes tend to be overrated. I know that you’ve made some adjustments to deal with this problem, but in my opinion, not enough.

I thought losses at the end of a career wasn’t supposed to cause a former great to spiral downwards in the rankings?

Thanks for the quick reply.

And I hadn’t even noticed that Gomi had dropped several spots (but i do agree with it).

In fact, Hatsu Hioki should be closing in on the top 25 as well.

I also agree with it.. and not sure why it happened. All I can figure is that this latest loss sent Gomi spiraling on one (or more) of the metrics we use to derive these rankings.

It’s nice to see that Aldo finally made the Absolute list. I’d expect him to to move up very rapidly over the next year or so. I also expect him to replace Faber as #1 on the all-time featherweight list sometime next year.

It’s not a penalty per say… but fighters at the top of today’s lists are going to rack up points quicker than those who stood at the top of lists from years ago when the divisional depth was weaker. This is a very fine line.

These all-time rankings just keep getting better all the time. I don’t really think Marquardt and Melendez deserve to be on the absolute list, but that’s just my opinion. Mostly, the rankings seem pretty darn accurate.

These all-time rankings just keep getting better all the time. I don’t really think Marquardt and Melendez deserve to be on the absolute list, but that’s just my opinion. Mostly, the rankings seem pretty darn accurate.

JCS cheers for the response, I ment Royce was top p4p in the world and undefeated in their fight. Makes sence he was p4p number 1 after winning maby even going in to the 1st Wanderlei fight he might have been p4p number 1 again then too?

From the start of MMA there havnt been that many guys seen as top p4p fighter. I dont have an Idea how you could change the rankings to reflect this but as Koqebwix said fighting outside your weight class maby should have more effect on the rankings.

It could maby take the weight they have averaged at or been at most, say Saku and Gracie Mw, beating Dan Severn, Randleman, Ken Shamrock, Belfort etc.. should count for a lot.

Im guessing this wouldnt work because everyone was looked at as one weight class but but how do you treat wins like Hendo vs Fedor currently? Was he credited more for beating a guy outside his weight class more than a guy of the exact ranking of Fedor at Lhw?

Ive no Idea about the career end point and I suppose it can only be applied to guys who have officially hung up the gloves, someone really active like Severn doesnt and might not ever have a career end point at this rate.

Ive been trying to think about the career end thing but everything I come up with wouldnt work! I see how tough this must have been to do! But I dont know that it doesnt need looked at….

Bad comparison but in all time boxing rankings Tyson isnt there and for good reason because as good as he was in his prime he fought on and lost to guys like Kevin McBride and Danny Williams. Roy Jones Jr should have been the great of a generation because he didnt call it a day at the right time, this ruins a legacy (see Ken Shamrock!) and I dont mind if your rankings dont have a career end factor it makes sence to not have one in a way.

I think if Sakus recent losses are bad enough to overturn what he did in his career that fair enough but I think at a glance Smaller guys havnt got it fair in some rankings, most MMA diehards I know would say Saku, Frank Shammy, Gracie on an All time great list and I wonder if there was a way to reflect weight more of old fights would they come into the rankings or are people having rose tinted glasses.

Again if you look at Boxing rankings they reward guys for who you beat insted of Long Runs, I dont know if you can prioritise what gives a fighters more points to tweek things and see how it looks but I thought Look at Liddell as Ali, he fought the best possible opposition in the golden era of the best devision then, Gomi as Joe Louis Joe Louis has a better career record and held the title for far longer yet most people have Ali over Louis… I dont know if you follow boxing or that made sence but I think a fighter is firstly Judged on who he beat more than any other factor.

Cheers.

“What if Anderson Silva stays at the top for another 5 years, then continues to fight for another 15 years, loosing mosts of his fights, even against average fighters?
If losses count, he will leave the top position (and maybe the top 20)… even if no other fighter achieved what he did.”

I don’t think it works that way. Under this scenario, Silva would eventually drop out of the current rankings and would cease to continue building up points. But no matter how many times he lost, I don’t think he would lose any of the all-time points that he’s already accumulated.

JCS cheers for the response, I ment Royce was top p4p in the world and undefeated in their fight. Makes sence he was p4p number 1 after winning maby even going in to the 1st Wanderlei fight he might have been p4p number 1 again then too?

From the start of MMA there havnt been that many guys seen as top p4p fighter. I dont have an Idea how you could change the rankings to reflect this but as Koqebwix said fighting outside your weight class maby should have more effect on the rankings.

It could maby take the weight they have averaged at or been at most, say Saku and Gracie Mw, beating Dan Severn, Randleman, Ken Shamrock, Belfort etc.. should count for a lot.

Im guessing this wouldnt work because everyone was looked at as one weight class but but how do you treat wins like Hendo vs Fedor currently? Was he credited more for beating a guy outside his weight class more than a guy of the exact ranking of Fedor at Lhw?

Ive no Idea about the career end point and I suppose it can only be applied to guys who have officially hung up the gloves, someone really active like Severn doesnt and might not ever have a career end point at this rate.

Ive been trying to think about the career end thing but everything I come up with wouldnt work! I see how tough this must have been to do! But I dont know that it doesnt need looked at….

Bad comparison but in all time boxing rankings Tyson isnt there and for good reason because as good as he was in his prime he fought on and lost to guys like Kevin McBride and Danny Williams. Roy Jones Jr should have been the great of a generation because he didnt call it a day at the right time, this ruins a legacy (see Ken Shamrock!) and I dont mind if your rankings dont have a career end factor it makes sence to not have one in a way.

I think if Sakus recent losses are bad enough to overturn what he did in his career that fair enough but I think at a glance Smaller guys havnt got it fair in some rankings, most MMA diehards I know would say Saku, Frank Shammy, Gracie on an All time great list and I wonder if there was a way to reflect weight more of old fights would they come into the rankings or are people having rose tinted glasses.

Again if you look at Boxing rankings they reward guys for who you beat insted of Long Runs, I dont know if you can prioritise what gives a fighters more points to tweek things and see how it looks but I thought Look at Liddell as Ali, he fought the best possible opposition in the golden era of the best devision then, Gomi as Joe Louis Joe Louis has a better career record and held the title for far longer yet most people have Ali over Louis… I dont know if you follow boxing or that made sence but I think a fighter is firstly Judged on who he beat more than any other factor.

Cheers.

“What if Anderson Silva stays at the top for another 5 years, then continues to fight for another 15 years, loosing mosts of his fights, even against average fighters?
If losses count, he will leave the top position (and maybe the top 20)… even if no other fighter achieved what he did.”

I don’t think it works that way. Under this scenario, Silva would eventually drop out of the current rankings and would cease to continue building up points. But no matter how many times he lost, I don’t think he would lose any of the all-time points that he’s already accumulated.

I know that making a computer calculated ranking system is very difficult.
There are always some exeptions and extreme cases to deal with…

Here are 3 ideas (and arguments) I wish to throw in:

1) LOSSES

I think the “all times” rankings should not count losses at all.

Why?
What if Anderson Silva stays at the top for another 5 years, then continues to fight for another 15 years, loosing mosts of his fights, even against average fighters?
If losses count, he will leave the top position (and maybe the top 20)… even if no other fighter achieved what he did.

And now imagine that by this time, JSP stays at the top for another 5 years too, then retires.
If losses counts, he will surely be way above Silva in the p4p ranking.
For what? Watching television while Anderson is in the ring?

I think that what a fighter has done can’t be undone. This is the purpose of “all times” rankings.
There’s no reason why loosing some fights (even against my little sister) should undo any achievement made.

However, I you consider this option, you will need to do another adjustment: Consecutive wins must count far better than wins followed (or preceeded) by losses.
So losses WILL count, bur only by reducing the effect of nearby wins.
This should prevent fighters loosing half the time from being ranked as high as fighters who always win.

2) MMA WAS WEAK

Just forget it.
I know it is true, but this should not got into account.
It’s like saying “Rod Laver is not so great because tennis was weak in the sixties”.

Of course if he steps to a time portal and plays against some average guy of the 21st century, he will loose, but that’s not the question in an “all time best” ranking…

If you drop the “mma was weak” rule, I think your ranking will include more legends and exclude some “probably future legends”.

3) WEIGHT DIFFERENCE

This should be taken into account, at least in the p4p rankings…
In the old days, fighting a guy 20 (30, 50…) pounds heavier was very common.

“Extreme case” test:
Imagine that JSP starts to fight some heavywheights: A win over Dos Santos will be more impressive than a win over Diaz, no?

If the ranking ignore weight difference, Dos Santos = Diaz
And worse, Diaz > Struve…

In my opinion, the JSP vs Dos Santos theorical fight is not simply a fight for JSP in the heavyweight division.

4) THANKS FOR YOUR GREAT WORK

We all love rankings, and there will never be a perfect system… so there will always be some guy like me telling you “Where’s my favourite? This list sucks”. 🙂

This is all computerized, like the current rankings, but obviously the calculation is much different as we’re trying to summarize entire careers. In addition, we’re trying to balance performances with longevity – an unexpectedly difficult task given the varying frequencies of fights, opponents, etc.

Sakuraba may have been #1 P4P (though I’m not sure which Gracie win you are referring to), but the calculations here are derived from estimated divisional rankings. Sakuraba is definitely a unique case, in that he was never really at the top of a division for more than a fight or two, but bounced around divisions and had good wins, albeit for a limited time.

As for Liddell/Gomi, Liddells span at or near the top of the division lasted about 5 years. Gomi’s lasted nearly 9. Yes, 9. Gomi rose to the top of 155 quickly, because it WAS very weak. Yes, we do handle this also — this is the same reason why Royce Gracie is so low, because MMA as a whole was weak at that point. As you see, there are many variables here. Did Liddell have ‘bigger’ wins, yes, but his stay at the top was nowhere near as long. Arguing over 5 positions in the absolute ranking is silly when you think of how many fighters participated in the sport’s history.

I do admit, Gomi seems a few positions high, but he’s stalled and may even drop, while he’ll almost surely get passed up by Hendo, and some others.

Another issue is the ‘career end’ stages are being considered. I just don’t know how to best handle this. Should we be counting Liddell’s last few fights, even though he had a win over Wanderlei in between? It’s just very tough.

I think you can argue that the modifications which should be made are:

A – A fair way to exclude the extreme cases where fighters stick around way too long.
B – Slightly enhance the strength of head-to-head.

These are ideas I’ve been toying with before you started posting.

Just a thought but Maby the absolute rankings need slightly different Criteria, Gomi’s career has also gone down the sh1tter as well and he achieved a lot less than Saku ever did in terms of who he beat. He hasn’t many Great career wins and even if you overlook the Diaz loss has a poor head to head record with ranked fighters. Saku on the other hand has been in with much better opponents and has a better head to head record with greats.

Saku in my head should at least be top 10, the Current rankings if say number 3 Mw moves to Lhw he might be ranked at 5th… this shows that fighting bigger guys is harder and should maby be shown somehow in the absolute rankings. I think maby its something to consider in an eara where weight classes werent as defined?

It’s got a little to do with head-to-head. It’s got a lot to do with career success and being ranked highly for an extended period of time. Diaz was not a loss, it was a no contest. Penn, Florian, Hellboy, all top 10 lightweights all-time. Guida may end up in the Top 20.

Sakuraba had a few good years and never held and defended a top spot in a division.

I’m not saying these rankings are perfect, but if you’re suggesting Sakuraba should be higher ranked than Gomi… well, I’d have to strongly disagree.

Oh my, and Dan Hardy is there…
For what? Nice haircut ?
I love the guy, but… this is All-time best fighters, no?

Oh my, and Dan Hardy is there…
For what? Nice haircut ?
I love the guy, but… this is All-time best fighters, no?

where is #22 on the division dominance list?

I really do cringe at the thought of DeLucia, Mezger and Kondo being on the all-time heavyweight list. I’m not sure Schlitt, Rutten and Funaki belong there, either. I realize that it’s not going to happen, but I actually wish that you’d ignore Pancrase’s open-hand era altogether. At the very least you could weight it so these guys didn’t get so much credit for beating a bunch of mediorcre, blown-up welterweight and middleweights with silly rules.

Nothing has changed except for historical data refinement. I feel that with another win, Anderson will probably lock it up…

Just how the f did Anderson peak a month ago?

He peaked around the beginning of 09′.

Here’s another guess: Liddell will drop out of the top 20 within the next 12 to 18 months.

I just realized that Anderson Silva has finally passed Fedor Emelianenko on the all-time absolute list. I’m guessing that GSP will take the #2 spot before the end of the year.

Just add a women’s divisional dominance catagory.

Not gonna happen anytime soon, wouldn’t make too much sense anyhow as we don’t do all-time women divisional lists.

I’ll go out on a limb and predict that both Jorgensen and Faber will crack the top ten at bantamweight by the end of this year.

I think I’m going to run with this programming for the foreseeable future. I don’t like making so many changes, even though it does not affect the bulk of the rankings. Still, I think the recent expansion and code changes have further improved the rankings.

Part of me thinks the latest head-to-head impact should be strengthened or tweaked slightly, but let’s see how this pans out over the next several months.

First iteration of head-to-head impact on rankings are in. Very good changes IMO.

Rest assured, I’m working on a resolve 🙂

I love the expansion. Very interesting stuff.

11 Urijah Faber (+1)
12 Chuck Liddell (-1)
13 Nate Marquardt
14 Quinton Jackson
15 Shinya Aoki (+5)
16 Josh Barnett (-1)
17 Lyoto Machida (+2)
18 Mauricio Rua (-1)
19 Rich Franklin (+3)
20 Paulo Filho (-4)
21 Jon Fitch (NR)
22 Miguel Torres (NR)
23 Jake Shields (NR)
24 Hayato Sakurai
25 Sean Sherk (-4)

I do appreciate the quick response, I really do. Still, their has to be a better way of integrating the early pancrase results into your ranking system. All of the really suspect rankings are due to those Pancrase fights (Schilt, Marquardt and now Kunioku).

Kiuma Kunioku #4 all-time at welterweight? Please tell that it’s just a glitch.

Kiuma Kunioku #4 all-time at welterweight? Please tell that it’s just a glitch.

Here’s another sugestion/request: assuming that you keep past data, maybe you could add an arrow (pointing up or down) next to each fighter’s name telling us how many spots these guys have moved within the last 365 days. It’s just a thought.

How can someone who’s 7th in one division and 5th in another division be ahead of someone who’s 1st in his division?

There are several guys who get too much credit on this site for their Pancrase accomplishments- Marquardt is the most blatant example.

He wasn’t even that impressive in Pancrase(losses against Genki Sudo, Kiuma Kunioku, Izuru Takeuchi, Keiichiro Yamamiya, and Ricardo Almeida. Wins against Daiju Takase, Kiuma Kunioku, Shonie Carter, Hikaru Sato, Masaya Kojima, Yuji Hoshino, Kazuo Misaki, Seiki Ryo, Kiuma Kunioku, Izuru Takeuchi, Yuji Hisamatsu, Izuru Takeuchi. Draws against Kiuma Kunioku and Eiji Ishikawa. That’s a 12-5-2 record against very lackluster opposition. He does have a few big wins in the UFC.

Also, the top five guys are all known for their success in just one division. I don’t think “multi-divisional accomplishments” are given extra credit at all.

It seems like the abolute rankings may over-reward multi-divisional accomplishments. Seems very strange to me that Chuck Liddell could be behind Dan Henderson.

chuck should be in the top 10 absolute instead of hendo

Theres no way fedor should be #1 on this list I dont care how you slice it for the last 4 or 5 years hes been doggin it only taking fights that he though he could win and losing two of em anyways against guys he should of beat he should be 3rd all time right now Silva should be fist with GSP a very close second Whoever wins the GSP SILVA fight GOD willing it happens is the greatest p4p champion in mixed martial history HANDS DOWN

How far off, in terms of points, are the number 2 all time fighters on the absolute and heavyweight lists from overtaking Fedor?

How far off, in terms of points, are the number 2 all time fighters on the absolute and heavyweight lists from overtaking Fedor?

As for the absolute ranking, there is definitely room for improvement there as far as balancing divisional strength and accomplishments throughout the years.. again, the problem is that we only have actual ranking data for 3 years (and MMA history goes back much further) — then you have the issue that finding the divisional data for anything non-Heavyweight, older than 5 years is nearly impossible to find, aside from major organizations..

That’s about what I expected. Thanks for the info.

I’m curious… Assuming Fedor doesn’t win the upcoming Strikeforce tournament and Silva and/or GSP can continue to string some wins together, how long before they displace Fedor as #1?

Marquardt accomplished quite a bit in Pancrase before signing with the UFC. He does seem to be the permanent #2 contender now, though.

Marquardt accomplished quite a bit in Pancrase before signing with the UFC. He does seem to be the permanent #2 contender now, though.

I’m fascinated by the idea that Vitor Ribeiro is the 25th most accomplished fighter in modern MMA history. I don’t mean that in a negative way. Most people, if asked to name their own top 25, would almost certainly not name Vitor Ribeiro. The rest of the top 25 is much less surprising to me.

Thanks! That’s from the Absolute list, correct?

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Thanks! That’s from the Absolute list, correct?

I predict that Florian, Edgar and Maynard will each be in the all-time lightweight top ten by the end of the year.

Yeah.. the list is really built for fighters once they have ended their careers. There are some longevity/volume checks that will kick in during an active fighter’s career, causing a bit of acceleration.

I’m really surprised that Fitch isn’t in the top 25 on the absolute list.

Any chance that you could give us the #11 thru #20 fighters for the updated career absolute list? I know it’s a lot to ask…

Well, Santos is back up to #8…I wonder if she’ll still be in the top ten when the next revision is done. LOL

I’m guessing that Gilbert Melendez, Frankie Edgar and possibly Gray Maynard could all reach the top ten within the next year.

How is Florian in the LW top 10, but not Edgar? You’d think the 2 wins over BJ would be way bigger points-wise than anything Kenny has done.

I’m curious… why was Chris Santos removed from the women’s open all-time list?

How is Florian in the LW top 10, but not Edgar? You’d think the 2 wins over BJ would be way bigger points-wise than anything Kenny has done.

See the word, “Peak”? The reason you stated is why he’s #1 Absolute and #1 Heavyweight.

I just noticed that four of the five japanese fighters on the bantamweight list are either retired or should be. Meanwhile, the five americans on the list are still doing fairly well. As there are other american fighters also doing very well (mostly in the WEC), it seems that the americans are poised to dominate the bantamweight list over the next couple of years.

I just noticed that four of the five japanese fighters on the bantamweight list are either retired or should be. Meanwhile, the five americans on the list are still doing fairly well. As there are other american fighters also doing very well (mostly in the WEC),

Nice to see Cristiane Santos on the women’s list- she deserves it.

Or even light heavyweight? He deserves to be ranked somewhere.

Or even light heavyweight? He deserves to be ranked somewhere.

It’s nice to see Florian on the 155lb. list- he’s had a lot of good wins.

chael sonnen definatley deserves to be on middleweight after this year.

Also , how the hell is Almeida on the MW list when Evan Tanner isn’t? , Ridiculous

Jens Pulver has had a lot of his wins at 145. His only real major 155 wins were BJ Penn, Uno, and Joe Stevenson.

Frankie Edgar beat Penn twice, has only one less win at LW than Pulver, has only one loss at LW to Pulvers 8, and has had a much tougher set of opponents. How has he not made it past Pulver on the all-time list?

Jens Pulver has had a lot of his wins at 145. His only real major 155 wins were BJ Penn, Uno, and Joe Stevenson.

Frankie Edgar beat Penn twice, has only one less win at LW than Pulver, has only one loss at LW to Pulvers 8, and has had a much tougher set of opponents. How has he not made it past Pulver on the all-time list?

And just for fun… based on trends, if these fighters keep it up for a few more years (some less), they’ve got a shot at being ranked:

Heavyweight: Brock Lesnar
Light Heavyweight: Rashad Evans, Forrest Griffin
Middleweight: Jorge Santiago
Welterweight: Jake Shields, Nick Diaz
Lightweight: Kenny Florian, Gilbert Melendez, Frankie Edgar
Featherweight: Marlon Sandro
Bantamweight: Dominick Cruz (very soon)
Womens: Cristiane Santos

Thanks for the extra info (even if I was hoping for a bit more than that).

Could you at least list #11 thru 20 on the career absolute list? It would be greatly appreciated. You could list it right here.

These lists are a great idea, but I do wish that you’d consider expanding them to the 25 or even 50 fighters.

Great idea! it would be cool if you gave a more detailed explanation as to how these rankings are calculated. You should also consider making a peak dominance ranking if that is possible