All-Time MMA Rankings

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The all-time rankings reflect the overall careers of MMA fighters. When observing these lists, it is important to consider the following:

  • All-time rankings are division-specific, whereas the current rankings are division-adjusted.  Therefore, a fighter CAN be ranked in more than one division.
  • Longevity at or near the top of the division plays a huge role in where a fighter is ranked.  All of the rankings are career-long. Only extreme cases of past-prime bad performances are not completely excused from the rankings.  Divisional strength is also a large factor in accumulating all-time ranking points.
  • Head-to-head results have a minor, but direct effect.
  • These rankings are not updated as often as the current rankings. Please check the last updated date at the top of the page.
  • The nature of the rankings requires them for the most part, to be “slow” in reacting to actions made by current fighters.  Think ‘rolling average’, versus immediate change when looking for effects from recent fights.
  • Fluctuations in the position of active fighters may be a frequent occurrence. This is merely due to how these rankings are calculated. However, fluctuations may also accompany mathematical revisions or data updates.
  • Early Pancrase (pre-late 2000) bouts and many non-UFC bouts (pre-1999) were open-weight.  Due to the impact of these matches, the “credit” is assigned to fighters within the division that these fighters would’ve competed in had there been a more comprehensive divisional structure.  Surrounding data (in terms of chronology) is analyzed to determine a division.  If one cannot be definitively determined, the credit will be assigned to the fighter for Heavyweight+.

602 Comments

  1. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 8:28 am Reply

    In fact, Hatsu Hioki should be closing in on the top 25 as well.

  2. jason August 20, 2018 at 8:26 am Reply

    Highest absolute total for fighters not in any of the existing Top 25 lists.

  3. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 8:26 am Reply

    Aldo finally caught Faber on the featherweight list…. well, it was always just a matter of time.

  4. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 8:26 am Reply

    This new list is sort of interesting, but I’d much rather see the all-time absolute list expanded to 50 fighters.

  5. Mark August 20, 2018 at 8:26 am Reply

    Wow, Rampage has moved into first place on the light heavyweight list. I find that ranking at least plausible, but I suspect that if you polled on this issue you would get more votes for Chuck, Wand, and probably Jones than you would for Rampage. This seems to show the value of this method of ranking fighters — it brings out these sorts of things with subjective rankings usually miss. I think he has been underrated for most of his career anyway.

  6. jason August 20, 2018 at 8:26 am Reply

    Some notes about the Absolute…

    – Anderson and Fedor are still awfully close, in fact, a fluctuation could see Fedor jump atop momentarily… However, it’s not likely to happen.

    – GSP has a ways to go to take #2.

    – Gomi took a major dump in this latest update.

    – Evans is #27, Hioki is #30, Edgar #32, Koscheck #44 — Edgar and Evans have more momentum than the other two IMO.

  7. thonolansghost August 20, 2018 at 8:14 am Reply

    Wow… Dominick Cruz wasn’t even in the top ten on the bantamweight all-time list a few months ago and now he’s #3.

    Not that I’m complaining.

  8. jason August 20, 2018 at 8:14 am Reply

    I can tell you that Dan Henderson is #11 =)

  9. jason August 20, 2018 at 8:14 am Reply

    Nevermind, the bug was pretty simple to resolve. It did affect Kunioku considerably, but not enough to move his rank down.

    I’ll keep looking. I have a feeling these non-heavyweights are being over-rewarded for the old Pancrase bouts.

  10. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 8:14 am Reply

    Thank You.

  11. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 8:14 am Reply

    I just noticed that four of the five japanese fighters on the bantamweight list are either retired or should be. Meanwhile, the five americans on the list are still doing fairly well. As there are other american fighters also doing very well (mostly in the WEC), it seems that the americans are poised to dominate the bantamweight list over the next couple of years.

  12. akshay August 20, 2018 at 8:14 am Reply

    Why isn’t Igor on here? Yes at the end of his career he had losses but he went on a like a 32 unbeaten streak

  13. Rudeboyben84 August 20, 2018 at 4:48 am Reply

    Sorry if its been asked before but where is Sakuraba? Before loosing to Igor surely he was p4p number 1 or close to it? Filho and Gomi over him…. I really like the current rankings I think your doing a great job but the all time ones confuse me.

  14. jason August 20, 2018 at 3:21 am Reply

    I see LaRosa got into the Division Dominance… I think I’ll restrict it to Men’s.

  15. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 3:21 am Reply

    I know it must seem as if I do nothing but complain, but it’s only because I’m very fond of this site and would like to see it reach it’s full potential. Anyways, keep up the good work.

  16. mike August 20, 2018 at 2:21 am Reply

    I am being told that a Phil Cardella is ranked #8 in the world. When I see him on your sight it is 458. So which is true? Was at one point in time ranked #8? Thank you in advance for your help? Best regards,
    Mike Almstead

  17. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 1:06 am Reply

    Yeah, I’ve got no problem with Henderson in the top ten. Marquardt way up there at #12 is the one that I’ll never agree with.

  18. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 1:06 am Reply

    Also, the top five guys are all known for their success in just one division. I don’t think “multi-divisional accomplishments” are given extra credit at all.

  19. chicagocane August 20, 2018 at 1:06 am Reply

    will rousey crack the top 25 now? 2/24/2013

  20. jason August 20, 2018 at 1:06 am Reply

    Nate is currently #13. If Bas and Frank can get all that credit for Pancrase, why can’t Nate?

    Essentially, Nate has been Top 10 in his division since the end of 2000. There may have been some times where he has been between 11-15, but looking back, his average rank in this time period would probably be #6. He’s also had no spells of inactivity, and less than a handful of opponents outside of the Top 50. Middleweight has been a strong division for a while now…

    How many fighters can say the same thing?

    I think you’ll find that Marquardt will drop soon, as more fighters will be able to say the same thing.. like a Fitch.. but Marquardt is still hanging tough and earning points.

  21. jason August 20, 2018 at 1:06 am Reply

    Those guys look weak historically, but were obviously much better back then, ability-wise and relative to the competition — Particularly Kiuma Kunioku.

  22. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 1:06 am Reply

    There are several guys who get too much credit on this site for their Pancrase accomplishments- Marquardt is the most blatant example.

    He wasn’t even that impressive in Pancrase(losses against Genki Sudo, Kiuma Kunioku, Izuru Takeuchi, Keiichiro Yamamiya, and Ricardo Almeida. Wins against Daiju Takase, Kiuma Kunioku, Shonie Carter, Hikaru Sato, Masaya Kojima, Yuji Hoshino, Kazuo Misaki, Seiki Ryo, Kiuma Kunioku, Izuru Takeuchi, Yuji Hisamatsu, Izuru Takeuchi. Draws against Kiuma Kunioku and Eiji Ishikawa. That’s a 12-5-2 record against very lackluster opposition. He does have a few big wins in the UFC.

  23. jason August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    Silva/GSP/Fedor/Hughes are going to have some staying power. They are the tier 1 legends of the sport.

    I think the rest of those guys you see in the top 25 except for Aldo, Jon Jones and maybe Rashad and Melendez are going to get swallowed up. Only reason I list them as maybes is because I think they still have time left to do things…

  24. jason August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    Bug fixed. Rampage up to #14, Ortiz down to #17. Rest of list is unchanged.

  25. jason August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    There’s actually a bug I just found in the absolute calculation… Have to fix that.

  26. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    Thanks for the quick reply.

    And I hadn’t even noticed that Gomi had dropped several spots (but i do agree with it).

  27. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    I’m really surprised that Fitch isn’t in the top 25 on the absolute list.

  28. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    Much appreciated, thank you.

  29. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    Nate Marquardt at #13 is the one that shocks me the most.

  30. jason August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    I thought you would enjoy it.

    I’m sure it will allow more issues to reveal themselves, but I figured we were ready for some expansion.

    The American dominance at Welterweight is pretty amazing… I just noticed that.

    Furthermore, eventually, I plan on incorporating a direct impact on the rankings based on head-to-head match ups with other ranked fighters. I feel this is an important cog that is sometimes overlooked by the equation, especially for prolific fighters of the early MMA scene. It will also help determine who is overrated and who is underrated IMO.

    The first iteration shows Semmy Schilt is one of the most overrated fighters on the rankings (go figure)…

  31. jason August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    11 Henderson
    12 Faber
    13 Marquardt
    14 Barnett
    15 Ortiz
    16 Rampage
    17 Filho
    18 Shogun
    19 Sherk
    20 Machida
    21 CroCop
    22 Aoki
    23 Franklin
    24 Ribeiro
    25 Sakurai

  32. jason August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    Who is Rhonda? I’d expect RONDA to make her appearance on the list very soon. She has a whopping SIX fights.

  33. Ty August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    It seems like the abolute rankings may over-reward multi-divisional accomplishments. Seems very strange to me that Chuck Liddell could be behind Dan Henderson.

  34. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Hendo’s accomplishment was for the career rankings, not the current rankings.. What are you asking for in regards to Horn?

  35. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    There are some things affecting Sakuraba that are not normally seen:

    1 He bounced between divisions very frequently.
    2 Some of his biggest name wins came against those fighters before they hit their primes.
    3 MMA was weak when he was at his best.
    4 He should have retired years ago.
    —-

    #1 is being accounted for. #2 causes many to overrated him and you could argue that in this type of system, he is not getting proper credit. #3 affects his rating negatively, as does #4. These are CAREER-long rankings and I do not have any logic in place to not penalize a fighter if he hangs around (in this case -WAY-) past his prime. The penalty he receives as a result of #4 is small, but is there.

    In any case, he’s just outside the Top 25 at Light Heavy.

  36. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Fighters are rated in the divisions they fought, not in the division they weighed in at. He is nowhere near the greatest fighter in history. After his three years of “dominance”, you saw how successful he was when fighters started learning how to handle wrestling.

  37. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    I know I’ve said this before, but the way these rankings calculate is more like a rolling average, whereas the current rankings show more immediate, harsh changes.

    In other words, I wouldn’t expect massive changes tomorrow.

  38. John N. August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    “accomplishments in all divisions”
    Will (did) we see some movement upward for Henderson for his victory over Fedor?

  39. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    It looks like some sort of changes in the system? I just noticed that Liddell passed Jackson at light heavyweight and Sherk passed Franklin yet again. Roussey just moved up two more spots as well.

  40. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Cardella has never been anywhere close to #8. He’s not even ranked currently.

    Where did you see that info?

  41. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Thanks for the prompt reply. As always, it’s greatly appreciated.

  42. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Sanchez 39, Cruz 57… of course, Sanchez is probably peaked out.

  43. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    New all-time rankings will be released this week — probably tomorrow.

  44. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    I thought losses at the end of a career wasn’t supposed to cause a former great to spiral downwards in the rankings?

  45. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    I’ll be looking forward to the new rankings.

  46. mark August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    I know what you are saying but the rankings don’t take into account the fact that the middleweight division has always been a B class division with B level fighters. If CroCop was a middleweight he would have never lost. You can’t just assume that each division has the exact same quality of fighters. Even now the middlweight division is devoid of superstar talent apart form Anderson of course.

  47. mark August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Does anyone know why Barnett, Franklin, Marquart and Fitch are on the absolute list when CroCop isn’t? He is the only superstar missing from it. He was a far superior fighter to the 4 I just mentioned.

  48. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Now I’m wondering just how far down the list Cro Cop has slid… He must be 34th or worse- Dos Santos is 33rd and higher than Cro Cop in the all-time heavyweight rankings (and both of them have spent their entire mma careers at heavyweight, with no input from other divisions).

  49. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    #25 sounds like a decent spot then.

    Ribeiro rode near the top of the division for quite a while.. and to do so, he had to get some good wins. I will however, look at the code.. as I had planned an optimization anyhow..

  50. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    I see that Anderson has dropped backed to #2 in the all-time absolute rankings. I’m assuming that this is very temporary?

  51. rudeboyben84 August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    JCS I was wondering if I could bother you to dig out a stat for me. Im doing a Hall of Fame on the armbar and Im thinking about Jeremy Horn.

    You recently posted that Hendo was the 1st man to crack the top 50 in 3 devisions, I was wondering what Horn ranked at Hw at the highest, I know he drew with Severn and after he beat Liddell I could be wrong but he got another Hw win in UFC.

    Was curious to know how high he got at Hw if it isnt a hastle to dig out the stats. Cheers mate.

  52. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    I’m guessing that Velasquez and Dos Santos will both be in the top four of the all-time heavyweight list within a couple of years. I’m also thinking that they will both reach the top 25 on the absolute list sometime in 2013.

  53. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    The same reason that BJ Penn is ahead of Urijah Faber.

  54. Sem August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Are these rankings automatically re-calculated once a fighter in the list was updated in the current MMA rankings?
    Like JDS who has gone to #1 in the HW div, do you have to manually trigger the update in the all-time HW div or is it done automatically?

  55. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Once a month, usually on the 2nd or 3rd.

  56. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    Horn is #56 at HW All-Time. As you may know, for “current rankings”, we only have quarterly snapshots prior to a few years ago. Therefore, the resolution isn’t THAT precise in order to give you a valid ‘highest’ ever rank at HW. I do see he held positions around #20 a few times..

  57. FlubberGuard August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    Ummm, Gomi over BJ? Whaaat? Makes no sense at all. BJ faced tougher competition, fought out of his weight class, held a UFC belt, dominated the lightweight division, is a two division UFC champ, and utterly DOMINATED Gomi. What did Gomi really do? Crush a bunch of cans and then get smoked by any haf decent fighter he fights in the UFC, that’s what.

  58. oleg August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    Will Benavidez make Peak Division Dominance Top 25?

  59. mark August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    ps I appreciate your feedback 🙂

  60. rudeboyben84 August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    Did Horn ever get ranked as a Hw? What was the highest ranking he posted on current rankings as a Hw if he did?

    Where would he feature on the career list as a heavyweight as well?

    Thanks again.

  61. oleg August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    Interesting… what is the criteria for such a blended list?

  62. mike August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    where is #22 on the division dominance list?

  63. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    This DD list is a little different.. you have to have some good tenure in the division to make the all-time list.

  64. TLC August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    I don’t understand why Jones isn’t ranked on Absolute.

    3rd highest at his peak, with over 16 fights and he isn’t passed guys like Edgar who have had less fights, or guys like Machida who have had barely more fights but a LOT less notable wins than Jones?

  65. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    BJ fighting outside of the division means nothing for his Lightweight ranking — it actually takes away from it because it means he spent time in other divisions that he could’ve spent at Lightweight. Notice BJ is ranked at Welterweight and also has points at Middleweight. Also notice BJ is higher in the Absolute ranking.

    Gomi spent his entire career at Lightweight.

    It’s actually pretty close between 1 and 2, but Gomi has it based on much, much more worthwhile longevity in the division. It’s like Sandy Koufax (BJ) vs. Nolan Ryan (Gomi).

    Now, even if Penn never goes back to 155.. he COULD eventually catch Gomi. It’s unlikely, but possible — we do backfill data as it comes along and if Gomi tanks hard, even though we mostly discount past-prime mega losing.. it’s not totally discounted.

  66. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    Yes, Gary. Being top-ranked with stronger competition results in an increased standing… so it is slanted toward modern fighters in that aspect.

  67. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    That’s mostly true, but I cannot completely exclude it from consideration. It’s also kind of tough to gauge the primes of fighters that are still fighting… If it continues to be a problem I’ll take a look at it, though prime or no prime, I think this latest stint may have proven that Gomi would have had issues hanging in the UFC back in his prime. and personally, at this point I think 13th is better than 8th for him IMO.

  68. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    JCS, could you tell us where Dos Santos and Jones are ranked on the all-time absolute list?

  69. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    Absolutely, I’ve always thought that Gomi was somewhat overrated. In fact, I still believe that many fighters who fought mostly in Japan during their primes tend to be overrated. I know that you’ve made some adjustments to deal with this problem, but in my opinion, not enough.

  70. Gary August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    Sorry if answered already, but is this all-time list skewed, (intentionally or unintentionally), to favour guys who are more modern because there are more fighters to be measured against as time goes on?

    Guys that seem lower, but were most certainly quite dominant in their time would include Vovchanchin, Menne, Frank Shamrock, Dan Severn, etc.

    Would someone like Mousasi score higher because he’s in a bigger pond now, compared to when Frank Shamrock completely dominated his era?

    It’s hard to imagine Mousasi being mentioned before Frank Shamrock in a conversation about all-time great LHWS, or Lesnar before Vovchanchin in the HWs, etc.

  71. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    Thanks for the info. That’s about what I expected, they could reach the top 25 by the end of the year.

  72. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    We don’t really want to do that, because most viewers will think anything that happened since the last update was due to current fights, when in actuality, fluctuations on this list can and have been pretty wild and seemingly random.

  73. thonolansghost August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    I know the routine- I fully expect a few small changes at most.

  74. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    You saw an incomplete update. Sorry for the confusion.

    Probably have it out later today.

  75. thonolansghost August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    I really do cringe at the thought of DeLucia, Mezger and Kondo being on the all-time heavyweight list. I’m not sure Schlitt, Rutten and Funaki belong there, either. I realize that it’s not going to happen, but I actually wish that you’d ignore Pancrase’s open-hand era altogether. At the very least you could weight it so these guys didn’t get so much credit for beating a bunch of mediorcre, blown-up welterweight and middleweights with silly rules.

  76. Mike August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    there’s a major issue with letting a computer pic the top fighters based on stats.

    it’s being fed stats about fighters who fight within certain weightclasses. usually their own weight or a weight they cut down to.

    problem is Kazushi Sakuraba is nowhere on the lists. He was 183lbs. BJ Penn’s walk around weight. the difference is he fought the best fighters in the world reguardless of weight, beating most of them. Not to mention he didn’t fight outpoint folks he always fought to finish. He is arguably the greatest fighter in history with 3 years of dominance under his belt and ending the Gracie unbeatable myth. Also beating 7 men who were UFC WW-HW champs aswell as 3 kings of Pancrase and a Dream GP champ.

  77. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    I don’t make guesses on these lists anymore =), but Faber has a lot of room between himself and Aldo.

  78. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    How close is Benavidez to the top 25 flyweight list?

  79. oleg August 19, 2018 at 10:53 pm Reply

    They disappeared for a day… back now.

  80. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 10:53 pm Reply

    Also, Cro Cop’s MMA prime only lasted four or five years (and at best, he was the number #3 guy in his division during that time).

  81. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 10:53 pm Reply

    LOL… What does Crop Cop’s success in K-1 kickboxing have to do with his ranking on the all-time absolute MMA list? And like I already said, Cro Cop was a top quality MMA fighter for 4-5 years and was never higher than the number 3 guy in his division even then.

    Meanwhile, Franklin was briefly #1 in his division and near the top for several years. Barnett has been a top 10 heavyweight for about 13 years (although it’s been several years since he’s beaten a top 10 heavyweight). Fitch was the #2 or #3 welterweight for about 6 years. I do think Marquardt is overrated, but even he was a top 10 middleweight for most of the last 10 or 12 years.

    Basically, Cro Cop’s time near the top wasn’t long enough to justify him being on this list. Similar to Tito Ortiz, time has past him by and he fell off the list. Rich Franklin will soon follow him. And Fitch soon afterwards.

  82. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 10:53 pm Reply

    I don’t have any problems with Cro Cop being left left off, but I’ll never agree with Marquardt being way up there at #14.

  83. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:52 pm Reply

    Igor is #15 Heavyweight currently. Sakuraba spent too much time shifting around weight classes to be in any Top 25. Frank is #9 at Light Heavy as you’ll notice above. Severn and Royce are bottom of Top 20, we rate on accomplishment, not pioneer status or name value. Rickson is somewhere around #50 Heavyweight/Open

  84. gracie August 19, 2018 at 9:52 pm Reply

    It’s questionable that someone like Alexandre Franca Nogueira could be on a list at number 2 having dropped his last two fights. Can anyone tell us what factors are considered when putting these lists together. It seems to me that using only empirical data to populate the lists makes for questionable rankings

  85. Jacko August 19, 2018 at 9:52 pm Reply

    Also , how the hell is Almeida on the MW list when Evan Tanner isn’t? , Ridiculous

  86. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:52 pm Reply

    Sometimes the rankings don’t make sense if a guy is just getting into his prime. By nature, its part longevity-based, part accomplishment-based. In other words, Edgar could be late to the party since he just hit the big time.

    I’m doing an update this week. Not sure he gets on, but if he stays near the top it shouldn’t be too long until he does.

  87. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:52 pm Reply

    I think I know something that will assist the issue, but will need time to test. Basically, my adjustment for the early Pancrase stuff is too strong and does not consider a few early aspects of MMA and the challenges that Pancrase brought upon it.

  88. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 9:52 pm Reply

    These lists are a great idea, but I do wish that you’d consider expanding them to the 25 or even 50 fighters.

  89. Jacko August 19, 2018 at 9:52 pm Reply

    Why is Lindland ahead of Henderson , and how the hell is Schilt number 8 at HW?

  90. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:52 pm Reply

    Franca’s 3 of his last 5 were at Lightweight. He was a top Featherweight for years, winning/defending the Shooto 143 belt many times. At this point, he’s past his prime.

    These rankings are more concerned about what the fighter did, then about what they didn’t do. His last two losses are also on the Top 10 Featherweight All-Time list.

  91. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:52 pm Reply

    These rankings are a mixture time-based and raw accomplishment-based due to them being a career ranking.

    You don’t want to award a “flash in the pan” too heavily, nor do you want to award a longtime fringe contender a top 10 spot.

    Edgar’s career is pretty young and as such, he’s behind guys like Florian and Melendez, but obviously he’s ascending at a faster rate than those guys.

    Pulver on the other hand has some important wins early in the “pioneer” 155 days. He also held alofty ranking for extended periods. A lot of the wins don’t look good on name value, but even wins like Dennis Hallman and Phil Johns (at the time) were very good wins.

  92. thales August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    I’m too

  93. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    What do you mean by “run off”?

  94. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Maybe one day.

  95. Wolf August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    How is DC rated so low when he has only lost once

  96. oleg August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Thanks for pointing it out, got rid of all the references to the DD-Peak list.

  97. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    You have a Heavyweight bias.

    Rutten had a 4ish year stay at the top in one division when MMA was in its infancy. Faber was an elite fighter in two divisions for roughly a decade at a point when the sport is much much stronger.

    How many all-time Heavyweight greats did Rutten beat? In reality, Rutten was a Light Heavy hanging in Pancrase, beating up on undersized fighters. I’m not downplaying the guy’s career, because as you said, he’s in our Top 10 HW All-Time list.. but come on.

    If you thought the Absolute list was a Royal Rumble of sorts.. you are wrong.

  98. Zach August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    How is Mighty Mouse only 20 in the absolute division? He’s tied the record for title defenses. While flyweight isn’t the strongest division 10 defenses that include 2 wins over the likes of Benavidez and Dodson, as well as wins over Horiguchi and Cejudo should count for something. Especially considering these have all been incredibly dominate performances. I would think that should at least land him a spot in the top ten.

  99. Toby Latham August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    “Hover over the division dominance list to view the weight class info and peak dominance date.”

    This part is gone n

  100. ccrider August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply
  101. oleg August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    So McGregor is #1 FW of all time because he beat Aldo, and left the division? Should Weidman be #1 MW because he beat Silva? I don’t think you understand how the “all time” rankings work.

  102. Toby Latham August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    “The all-time division dominance has minimum requirements for divisional tenure and as of 11/2012 uses the same revamped model as in the current rankings.” is still there

  103. Nick August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Is it possible to see more than just the top 25 absolute all time rankings?

  104. Dominick gibbs August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Anderson is the best because he has defeated way more difficult talent and he moved up in divisions to take on even heavier competittors. Gsp got beat up for 30 seconds and stopes the fight. Anderson got beat up for 3 or 4 rounds and still won so better endurance. Plus when was the last time gsp knocked someone out in highlight fashion. Anderson does it like every time he fights

  105. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    DJ is now #42

  106. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    No

  107. BuffaloBigBoi August 19, 2018 at 9:07 pm Reply

    Great idea! it would be cool if you gave a more detailed explanation as to how these rankings are calculated. You should also consider making a peak dominance ranking if that is possible

  108. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:07 pm Reply

    Jones 35, JDS 37

  109. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:07 pm Reply

    He didn’t necessarily peak .. his division lead peaked.

  110. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:07 pm Reply

    Igor is #13 at last check.

  111. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:07 pm Reply

    Hey now.. its a prestigious thing to get into the Top 10 :).

    Seriously, when you leave the Top 10, in most divisions, guys are very close together. Add fluctuations in, and you’ve got people moving up and down constantly. Really, these rankings will only solidify after guys retire and if we ever finalize data.

    In other words, I’d like to keep it at 10 for now.

  112. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:07 pm Reply

    Lindland/Henderson are neck and neck. We discovered we had some early Hendo matches at the wrong division. He will move ahead of Lindland on next update, probably permanently.

    Schilt is #8 at HW because he was at (or near) the top during his early days in Pancrase. The heavyweight/openweight quality there was a lot higher than what the average American fan thinks/realizes.

    Evan Tanner had a grand total (that we know of) of 9 Middleweight fights. He was 5-4.

  113. delkifran August 19, 2018 at 9:07 pm Reply

    where are royce and rickson gracie, sakuraba, franck shamrock, dan severn and igor??????

  114. David August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    The problem here is Hendricks was gassed out byt the GSP fight. Second he LOST ! get over it yankee !. as Dan White ahs said many times , “do not leave it in the hands of the judges”. if this was non title fight then who knows. But the score cards said it all. Was it a close fight, YES.And on another note one does not have to have the best face face after a gith nor during. The Hendrik’ s punch’s landed but few of them. take a ook a this fight again bro. And Dan White? he is so much dis-respect full of the fighters who fight in the UFC. Not give GSP the belt by putting it round his waist after was a real slap in the face. More damage then anything Hendriks could have thrown. try being a class act like GSP and you get dammed for it. Act like a total goon like Henricks and you praise. that`s how most americans think. Oh yah forgot you won all thw world wars and more.

  115. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    You can’t.

  116. Artem August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Where can I view all-time rankings for past times? Thanks!

  117. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    That top 3 is pretty lofty like it is at LHW, but Rousey should get to #4 fairly quickly.

    The real “run” is up now. Yesterday’s was an intermediate of sorts..

  118. thonolansghost August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Personally, I think these rankings are very accurate. Yeah, Marquardt gets way too much credit and Weidman is an interesting case… but otherwise, there’s nothing to complain about.

  119. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Marquardt’s career seems to be finally winding down…he should start slidind down the all-time list over the next several months.

  120. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    K-1 hasn’t been relavent in at least ten years.

  121. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    It already works this way Mark.

  122. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    FYI – Strawweight is at a limit of 120lb… or at least, that’s what we’re starting it at.

  123. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Having the “peak DD” in All-Time is tough… because as long as the new #1 beats the old #1 while the old #1 is still in his prime… the new #1 will be higher ranked in all-time DD because the divisions keep getting stronger and the distance between #1 and the division norm will keep getting wider.

  124. chicagocane August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    what did rousey weigh for her 1st pro fight against gomes?

  125. oleg August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    It was a rather weak field by K-1 GP standards, compared to Mirko’s glory days. Wonder if he will retire now on a high note, having finally won a title.

  126. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    It’s nice to see Aldo moving up the featherweight list. It looks like he’ll catch Faber sometime next year (assuming he doesn’t move up in weight before then). He should reach top 25 on the absolute list next year as well.

  127. rudeboyben84 August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Just a thought but Maby the absolute rankings need slightly different Criteria, Gomi’s career has also gone down the sh1tter as well and he achieved a lot less than Saku ever did in terms of who he beat. He hasn’t many Great career wins and even if you overlook the Diaz loss has a poor head to head record with ranked fighters. Saku on the other hand has been in with much better opponents and has a better head to head record with greats.

    Saku in my head should at least be top 10, the Current rankings if say number 3 Mw moves to Lhw he might be ranked at 5th… this shows that fighting bigger guys is harder and should maby be shown somehow in the absolute rankings. I think maby its something to consider in an eara where weight classes werent as defined?

  128. mark August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    How is Gilbert Melendez above Shogun when he hasn’t fought in the UFC? He hasn’t fought any of the top lightweights of the UFC yet he’s above Shogun who’s fought a who’s-who of the lightheavy weight division. How are Faber and Marquart above Shogun as well? Cheers, Mark.

  129. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Jcs, Could you tell us where Dominick Cruz and Diego Sanchez are ranked on the all-time absolute list?

  130. rudeboyben84 August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Where is Dan Severn on the Hw list?!!! 100 wins and the dude still can get his place in the top 25!

    Do you know where he ranks in terms of the Hw all timers?

    Cheers.

  131. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Did not expect Fedor to get overtaken…

  132. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Gomi was a top-ranked 155er for almost a decade.

  133. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    It’s nice to see that Aldo finally made the Absolute list. I’d expect him to to move up very rapidly over the next year or so. I also expect him to replace Faber as #1 on the all-time featherweight list sometime next year.

  134. mark August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Love this site, the rankings are so accurate… almost! Where is cro-cop in the pound-for-pound list? I feel he was a far superior fighter to marquart, franklin, barnett, etc… I don’t know if these rankings take into account that the middleweight division has always been far weaker than the light-heavyweight division. But other than that it’s a quality site!

  135. mark August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Barnett is on the list and Cro Cop destroyed him 3 times. Cro Cop was the most feared striker in the world, hanged with Fedor, dominated Big Nog before getting submitted, ended Wanderlei’s reign at the top, and carried out so many highlight reel knockouts – plus he crossed over from a different combat sport in which he was also successful in K1. Marquart, Frnaklin and Fitch haven’t doen anything near as impressive.

  136. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    All-time rankings down for a few hours..

  137. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Hmm Hector Lombard surpassed Tanner on this latest update.

    At first glance, it may seem strange, but Tanner had a grand total of 5 wins at Middleweight. Yes, one was a UFC championship fight for a vacant belt.. against David Terrell, a 5-1 fighter.

    Lombard has dozens of wins at Middleweight. Tanner may have achieved a higher peak, but it was extremely short.

  138. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Some very interesting changes. Some are definitely for the better (Schilt, Kunioku). I’m not so sure about some of the other changes (Sonnen, Sherk, Pulver). As for Sakurai, I’m surprised but I don’t really disagree.

  139. expose13 August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    It’s about time I saw some realistic rankings p4p wise. Good work guys, finally another MMA site that keeps it real.

  140. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    A couple of notes: I was a bit surprised to see that Tito Ortiz had fallen completely out of the top 25. On the other hand, it was nice to see Fitch, Torres and Shields moving up the list.

  141. Mark August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    I would really really like to see a top 20 for the all-time rankings. The number of fighters involved is so much greater than with the “Current” rankings. A top 10 doesn’t seem to tell the full story.

  142. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    I just realized that Anderson Silva has finally passed Fedor Emelianenko on the all-time absolute list. I’m guessing that GSP will take the #2 spot before the end of the year.

  143. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Fighters can move down as a result of losses, data changes, certain metrics, etc. However, its going to mostly be an upward trend. We just released a metric update, which saw some changes. The algorithm also has a data segmentation component, as well as falling back on the database itself for some parameters…. not to mention code changes.

  144. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    JCS, is there any chance that you could update the the all-time top 25 again? It’s always greatly appreciated.

  145. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Edgar/Florian are a little ahead of Maynard, although obviously Florian is stalling a bit. I don’t think Maynard makes it in by the end of this year. Who knows? We have your prediction on record.

  146. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    The Top 3 at LHW is just a never-ending fluctuation. Hopefully Rampage will take the lead and run with it.

  147. Mark August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Any chance you could show the number of spots a fighter moved up or down since the last update?

  148. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    1 – Losses have to count. There’s no way around this, other than a 100% re-design of the all-time rankings (not gonna happen).
    2 – The overall strength has to count for something. Otherwise, you’d have guys like Erik Paulson near the top of the Middleweight list.
    3 – I realize this adversely affects the prestige of a few fighters, but I don’t have enough old data to even begin to fairly compensate.
    4 – Thanks!

    I’ve got a fair routine in place to exclude some of the extreme past prime cases from a few of the metrics. Minor change, probably for the better, but will result in even stranger fluctuations..

    I updated the rankings with this change, though the top date didn’t change… Ah well. This minor change had very little effect on the fighters that I thought it would affect.

  149. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Nice to see GSP in the #2 spot- it’s long overdue.

  150. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Tanner was 5-4 at Middleweight and had no major accomplishments at Light Heavyweight.

  151. WAT? August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Fedor being #1 in his division for 7 years
    how is not that the best division dominance?

  152. WMaster August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Nate Marquardt greatest A. Silva , Ch. Sonnen , Y. Okami and all fighters in middleweight division .

  153. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Kiuma Kunioku burst onto the scene as the #4 Welterweight of All-Time after reclassification of some older Pancrase bouts. As (conceivably) a Welterweight, Kunioku beat much larger, notable fighters such as Guy Mezger, Frank Shamrock, Yuki Kondo, and Masakatsu Funaki.

    Many of his early Pancrase bouts (as well as Marquardt’s) that were held within set divisional limits straddled the line between our Middleweight and Welterweight ranges. Just recently, I found more info that suggested they were technically Welterweight bouts (even though they were for the Middleweight KoP titles).

    This seems to have placed the Pancrase credit for Kunioku to Welterweight, and I believe before he received the credit for Heavyweight (because a “real” division could not be ascertained).

    To be perfectly honest, there’s no good way to handle the old Pancrase bouts for the non-Heavyweights.

    If you ask me, Welterweight is a crap shoot below #3 anyway.

  154. Shut the Fitch up August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Just how the f did Anderson peak a month ago?

    He peaked around the beginning of 09′.

  155. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    I believe I did find a bug though that would improperly reward non-heavyweights in the old Pancrase days… Ahh. it will be a beast to fix though. Stay tuned.

  156. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Remember that Sonnen spent 2/3rds of his career at 205. He’ll likely need another two good years to have a chance at cracking the top 10.

  157. TDV October 23, 2017 at 11:13 pm Reply

    There is an issue with Cain Velasquez ranking. He needs his win over Travis Browne factored in. I clicked on him and it has him at 13-2 with his last fight being Werdum. I don’t know if it will affect his ranking but it’s an issue

  158. TDV August 19, 2018 at 9:11 pm Reply

    There is an issue with Cain Velasquez ranking. He needs his win over Travis Browne factored in. I clicked on him and it has him at 13-2 with his last fight being Werdum. I don’t know if it will affect his ranking but it’s an issue

  159. jason July 4, 2017 at 7:26 pm Reply

    Maybe one day.

  160. Ro July 4, 2017 at 6:51 pm Reply

    How about having separate lists for each women’s division?

  161. Ro August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    How about having separate lists for each women’s division?

  162. Wolf June 6, 2017 at 4:33 am Reply

    How is DC rated so low when he has only lost once

  163. Zach June 4, 2017 at 6:49 pm Reply

    How is Mighty Mouse only 20 in the absolute division? He’s tied the record for title defenses. While flyweight isn’t the strongest division 10 defenses that include 2 wins over the likes of Benavidez and Dodson, as well as wins over Horiguchi and Cejudo should count for something. Especially considering these have all been incredibly dominate performances. I would think that should at least land him a spot in the top ten.

  164. jason February 7, 2017 at 5:34 pm Reply

    You have a Heavyweight bias.

    Rutten had a 4ish year stay at the top in one division when MMA was in its infancy. Faber was an elite fighter in two divisions for roughly a decade at a point when the sport is much much stronger.

    How many all-time Heavyweight greats did Rutten beat? In reality, Rutten was a Light Heavy hanging in Pancrase, beating up on undersized fighters. I’m not downplaying the guy’s career, because as you said, he’s in our Top 10 HW All-Time list.. but come on.

    If you thought the Absolute list was a Royal Rumble of sorts.. you are wrong.

  165. scott February 7, 2017 at 5:10 pm Reply

    I’d really like to know how you can put Bas Rutten in the top 10 heavyweights of all time but put guys like weidman, machida, cain, werdum, Jackson and freaking Faber…..FABER ahead of him in the absolute list.

  166. scott August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    I’d really like to know how you can put Bas Rutten in the top 10 heavyweights of all time but put guys like weidman, machida, cain, werdum, Jackson and freaking Faber…..FABER ahead of him in the absolute list.

  167. oleg January 20, 2017 at 4:01 pm Reply

    Thanks for pointing it out, got rid of all the references to the DD-Peak list.

  168. Toby Latham January 20, 2017 at 1:43 pm Reply

    “The all-time division dominance has minimum requirements for divisional tenure and as of 11/2012 uses the same revamped model as in the current rankings.” is still there

  169. oleg January 18, 2017 at 3:54 pm Reply

    The All-Time Peak Division Dominance list is gone entirely. There were some issues with the algorithm generating that list, and the results it produced often defied common sense. We’ve been tossing around some ideas for another all-time list to replace the DD-Peak, but haven’t settled on anything yet…

  170. Toby Latham January 18, 2017 at 3:27 pm Reply

    “Hover over the division dominance list to view the weight class info and peak dominance date.”

    This part is gone n

  171. oleg August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    The All-Time Peak Division Dominance list is gone entirely. There were some issues with the algorithm generating that list, and the results it produced often defied common sense. We’ve been tossing around some ideas for another all-time list to replace the DD-Peak, but haven’t settled on anything yet…

  172. Arthur November 13, 2016 at 9:00 am Reply

    Ha, ha, ha, – Women (Open)
    This is fuc..ng joke!!!
    … ,,the best” experts do this !

  173. Arthur August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Ha, ha, ha, – Women (Open)
    This is fuc..ng joke!!!
    … ,,the best” experts do this !

  174. oleg September 19, 2016 at 7:54 pm Reply

    So McGregor is #1 FW of all time because he beat Aldo, and left the division? Should Weidman be #1 MW because he beat Silva? I don’t think you understand how the “all time” rankings work.

  175. Steve September 19, 2016 at 5:59 pm Reply

    Aldo better than mcgregor? Didn’t mcgregor knock him out with one hit for the fastest championship knockout to ever happen? As far as featherweight is concerned, mcgregor is number 1 and has dominated that division with ease.

  176. Steve August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Aldo better than mcgregor? Didn’t mcgregor knock him out with one hit for the fastest championship knockout to ever happen? As far as featherweight is concerned, mcgregor is number 1 and has dominated that division with ease.

  177. Dominick gibbs September 15, 2016 at 1:06 pm Reply

    Anderson is the best because he has defeated way more difficult talent and he moved up in divisions to take on even heavier competittors. Gsp got beat up for 30 seconds and stopes the fight. Anderson got beat up for 3 or 4 rounds and still won so better endurance. Plus when was the last time gsp knocked someone out in highlight fashion. Anderson does it like every time he fights

  178. Rick Wodz September 12, 2016 at 11:28 am Reply

    I agree with ccrider, except that GSP lost only twice, and avenged both losses in impressive fashion (twice, in the case of Matt Hughes, one of the all-time greats). I respect those who disagree or have different preferences, but GSP evolved from his earlier “Rush” persona to become a supremely intelligent and tactical fighter, able to beat fighters of any style, frequently at their own games, out-boxing strikers and out-wrestling decorated wrestlers. He also dominated a division absolutely loaded with talent; in my view, neither Fedor nor the Spider fought as many top opponents, so GSP should get some credit for that.

  179. Rick Wodz August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    I agree with ccrider, except that GSP lost only twice, and avenged both losses in impressive fashion (twice, in the case of Matt Hughes, one of the all-time greats). I respect those who disagree or have different preferences, but GSP evolved from his earlier “Rush” persona to become a supremely intelligent and tactical fighter, able to beat fighters of any style, frequently at their own games, out-boxing strikers and out-wrestling decorated wrestlers. He also dominated a division absolutely loaded with talent; in my view, neither Fedor nor the Spider fought as many top opponents, so GSP should get some credit for that.

  180. ccrider July 28, 2016 at 4:49 pm Reply
  181. ccrider July 28, 2016 at 4:43 pm Reply

    Only three losses. One on a lucky haymaker. All but one decision was unanimous…..which means he dominated throughout. He had the stamina to go five rounds as he put on clinics. Not many fighters can go 5 rounds routinely and dominate. He dominated prolific college wrestlers at their own game, submitted Matt Hughes and BJ Penn. Fought Koshcek, Hughes, Serra, Fitch, Penn, Alves, Hardy, Shields, Condit, Diaz, Hendricks in that order winning all. Even though the #1 status is arguable with other fighters….Silva’s impromptu string of losses hurts him. His multiple skills as an athlete and fighter are clear and unequivocal.

  182. ccrider August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Only three losses. One on a lucky haymaker. All but one decision was unanimous…..which means he dominated throughout. He had the stamina to go five rounds as he put on clinics. Not many fighters can go 5 rounds routinely and dominate. He dominated prolific college wrestlers at their own game, submitted Matt Hughes and BJ Penn. Fought Koshcek, Hughes, Serra, Fitch, Penn, Alves, Hardy, Shields, Condit, Diaz, Hendricks in that order winning all. Even though the #1 status is arguable with other fighters….Silva’s impromptu string of losses hurts him. His multiple skills as an athlete and fighter are clear and unequivocal.

  183. Fabio Macacchero June 20, 2016 at 12:38 am Reply

    GSP over Silva? A guy that stays years needing judges to win fights? His winnings are most by judges. This rankings is ridiculous.

  184. Fabio Macacchero August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    GSP over Silva? A guy that stays years needing judges to win fights? His winnings are most by judges. This rankings is ridiculous.

  185. jason May 8, 2016 at 11:06 am Reply

    A troublesome part of compiling Absolute rankings is determining a fair method of weighting (pardon the pun) the divisions against each other. As you can see, we are being more than fair to the lighter divisions given the standings of Edgar and Faber.

    Cruz is knocking on the door at #27.

  186. Nick May 8, 2016 at 9:34 am Reply

    Is it possible to see more than just the top 25 absolute all time rankings?

  187. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    A troublesome part of compiling Absolute rankings is determining a fair method of weighting (pardon the pun) the divisions against each other. As you can see, we are being more than fair to the lighter divisions given the standings of Edgar and Faber.

    Cruz is knocking on the door at #27.

  188. Weasle May 8, 2016 at 5:14 am Reply

    Absolute = Mighty Mouse and Dominick Cruz need to get in top 10.

    Heavyweight = How is Werdum not #2?

    Light Heavyweight = How is Wanderlei above Rampage and Shogun?

    Middleweight = Romero needs to get in the top 10. How is Jacare below Sonnen and Marquart? Bisping deserves to be higher.

    Welterweight = Jake Shields has to be above Fitch and where is Wonderboy?

    Lightweight = Rafael Does Anjos is absolutely #1. Frankie and Henderson are above Penn.

    Featherweight = Max Holloway needs to be top 10. Frankie Edgar and Conor McGregor are both top 3 with Aldo being #1 of course.

    Bantamweight = How is Dillashaw below Barao? Dillashaw is #2.

    Flyweight = Benavidez and Dodson are both top 3.

    Women = Cyborg is #1. How are Holm and Joanna that low and how is Tate not top 5?
    #1 Cyborg
    #2 Rousey
    #3 Joanna
    #4 Tate
    #5 Holm

  189. Weasle August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Absolute = Mighty Mouse and Dominick Cruz need to get in top 10.

    Heavyweight = How is Werdum not #2?

    Light Heavyweight = How is Wanderlei above Rampage and Shogun?

    Middleweight = Romero needs to get in the top 10. How is Jacare below Sonnen and Marquart? Bisping deserves to be higher.

    Welterweight = Jake Shields has to be above Fitch and where is Wonderboy?

    Lightweight = Rafael Does Anjos is absolutely #1. Frankie and Henderson are above Penn.

    Featherweight = Max Holloway needs to be top 10. Frankie Edgar and Conor McGregor are both top 3 with Aldo being #1 of course.

    Bantamweight = How is Dillashaw below Barao? Dillashaw is #2.

    Flyweight = Benavidez and Dodson are both top 3.

    Women = Cyborg is #1. How are Holm and Joanna that low and how is Tate not top 5?
    #1 Cyborg
    #2 Rousey
    #3 Joanna
    #4 Tate
    #5 Holm

  190. jason May 2, 2016 at 11:23 am Reply

    DJ is now #42

  191. jason April 24, 2016 at 11:23 am Reply

    Relatively speaking, Flyweight is a weak division.

    On last update, DJ was at #45 Absolute.. but I imagine he’ll be in the Top 40 on the next update.

    Also.. DJ has been a top fighter for what, 3-4 years? Do some research on the careers of those in the Top 25…

  192. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Relatively speaking, Flyweight is a weak division.

    On last update, DJ was at #45 Absolute.. but I imagine he’ll be in the Top 40 on the next update.

    Also.. DJ has been a top fighter for what, 3-4 years? Do some research on the careers of those in the Top 25…

  193. sean April 24, 2016 at 2:01 am Reply

    Not sure how your absolute or division dominance is figured, but your low placement or lack thereof regarding Demetrious Johnson is concerning to the formula

  194. sean August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Not sure how your absolute or division dominance is figured, but your low placement or lack thereof regarding Demetrious Johnson is concerning to the formula

  195. Josh Bridgman April 3, 2016 at 4:02 pm Reply

    Crook to see Lyoto Machida get his due. I don’t think that Matt Hughes should be over jones though

  196. oleg April 3, 2016 at 3:05 pm Reply

    You may think the rules are arbitrary but they apply equally to every fighter. I’m a huge Matt Hughes fan just as an example, but I don’t advocate modifying any rules to give Hughes an artificial advantage. So how does “fanboy-ism” factor into this?

  197. Dan April 3, 2016 at 2:05 pm Reply

    don’t forget, your ratings software itself was written by fanboys!

    I’m as big a Fightmatrix advocate as anyone, but it’s ridiculous that you guys seem to actually think that the system isn’t biased based on whatever arbitrary rules you used to create/weight/update the algorithm.

  198. Josh Bridgman August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Crook to see Lyoto Machida get his due. I don’t think that Matt Hughes should be over jones though

  199. oleg August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    You may think the rules are arbitrary but they apply equally to every fighter. I’m a huge Matt Hughes fan just as an example, but I don’t advocate modifying any rules to give Hughes an artificial advantage. So how does “fanboy-ism” factor into this?

  200. Dan August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    don’t forget, your ratings software itself was written by fanboys!

    I’m as big a Fightmatrix advocate as anyone, but it’s ridiculous that you guys seem to actually think that the system isn’t biased based on whatever arbitrary rules you used to create/weight/update the algorithm.

  201. Arthur March 16, 2016 at 12:46 pm Reply

    I mean, Women (Open) !!!

  202. Arthur August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    I mean, Women (Open) !!!

  203. oleg March 6, 2016 at 3:20 pm Reply

    If by “fanboy’s” you mean our rating software…

  204. oleg August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    If by “fanboy’s” you mean our rating software…

  205. Arthur March 6, 2016 at 5:27 am Reply

    Ridiculous and unjust ranking! Decided by fanboy’s!!!

  206. Arthur August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    Ridiculous and unjust ranking! Decided by fanboy’s!!!

  207. jason December 21, 2015 at 9:01 am Reply

    No

  208. Ketchip December 21, 2015 at 2:33 am Reply

    No Mighty Mouse in the absolute rankings?

  209. Ketchip August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    No Mighty Mouse in the absolute rankings?

  210. jason December 14, 2015 at 7:46 pm Reply

    All-Time Rankings down for maintenance.. working on a bug fix (or exploit fix, if you will).

  211. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    All-Time Rankings down for maintenance.. working on a bug fix (or exploit fix, if you will).

  212. thales May 18, 2015 at 11:58 pm Reply

    I’m too

  213. Thales May 18, 2015 at 12:04 pm Reply

    LFC 42 – Legacy Fighting Championship 42. A very good fighter!!!!

  214. Thales August 19, 2018 at 9:17 pm Reply

    LFC 42 – Legacy Fighting Championship 42. A very good fighter!!!!

  215. ThonolansGhost March 6, 2015 at 11:17 pm Reply

    It would be interesting to show past all-time rankings.

  216. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    It would be interesting to show past all-time rankings.

  217. jason March 2, 2015 at 11:12 am Reply

    You can’t.

  218. Artem February 27, 2015 at 9:21 am Reply

    Where can I view all-time rankings for past times? Thanks!

  219. David February 15, 2015 at 1:57 am Reply

    The problem here is Hendricks was gassed out byt the GSP fight. Second he LOST ! get over it yankee !. as Dan White ahs said many times , “do not leave it in the hands of the judges”. if this was non title fight then who knows. But the score cards said it all. Was it a close fight, YES.And on another note one does not have to have the best face face after a gith nor during. The Hendrik’ s punch’s landed but few of them. take a ook a this fight again bro. And Dan White? he is so much dis-respect full of the fighters who fight in the UFC. Not give GSP the belt by putting it round his waist after was a real slap in the face. More damage then anything Hendriks could have thrown. try being a class act like GSP and you get dammed for it. Act like a total goon like Henricks and you praise. that`s how most americans think. Oh yah forgot you won all thw world wars and more.

  220. jason February 4, 2015 at 11:00 am Reply

    Goes in the books as a win.

  221. TheCyndicate February 4, 2015 at 8:52 am Reply

    GSP shouldn’t even be considered.
    He got beat by Hendricks, but got a gift decision, then he ran away so he didn’t have to fight him again. That is NOT the actions of The Greatest Fighter of All Time.

  222. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    Goes in the books as a win.

  223. TheCyndicate August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    GSP shouldn’t even be considered.
    He got beat by Hendricks, but got a gift decision, then he ran away so he didn’t have to fight him again. That is NOT the actions of The Greatest Fighter of All Time.

  224. jason November 1, 2014 at 12:45 pm Reply

    Your tone is silly.. 2 positions give you so much grief, really?

  225. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Your tone is silly.. 2 positions give you so much grief, really?

  226. george hillis October 31, 2014 at 4:51 pm Reply

    hahaha GSP number 1 wtf are you serious. In my eyes it should go anderson silva, jon jones then gsp

  227. george hillis August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    hahaha GSP number 1 wtf are you serious. In my eyes it should go anderson silva, jon jones then gsp

  228. oleg August 24, 2014 at 12:17 am Reply

    What are you on about? Incomprehensible.

  229. oleg August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    What are you on about? Incomprehensible.

  230. FACTS August 21, 2014 at 12:55 am Reply

    Your Argument Was Silva vs GSP But Ten At The End You Chose Liddell Or Couture???
    Besides GSP Many Times Said He Would Take That Silva Fight But It Would Take A Year Of Training To Jump Up To The Middle Weight Because GSP Walks Around In The Upper 180’s & Silva Walks Around In The Lower 220’s
    Fighters Can BULK Up Like MIR Tried To Do Against Lesnar Or They Cut Weight Like Lesnar Has To To Make The 165lb HW Limit

  231. FACTS August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Your Argument Was Silva vs GSP But Ten At The End You Chose Liddell Or Couture???
    Besides GSP Many Times Said He Would Take That Silva Fight But It Would Take A Year Of Training To Jump Up To The Middle Weight Because GSP Walks Around In The Upper 180’s & Silva Walks Around In The Lower 220’s
    Fighters Can BULK Up Like MIR Tried To Do Against Lesnar Or They Cut Weight Like Lesnar Has To To Make The 165lb HW Limit

  232. jason August 9, 2014 at 1:44 pm Reply

    Have to look at that. My belief is ‘yes’, but w/ consideration to all divisions.. so it’s not apples to apples with the Men.

  233. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Have to look at that. My belief is ‘yes’, but w/ consideration to all divisions.. so it’s not apples to apples with the Men.

  234. Mark August 3, 2014 at 12:30 am Reply

    Are women included in the Peak Division Dominance calculations?

  235. Mark August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Are women included in the Peak Division Dominance calculations?

  236. ThonolansGhost July 6, 2014 at 11:45 am Reply

    GSP deserves the #1 ranking. Nobody else has ever beaten that many top fighters, and he dominated most of them.

  237. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    GSP deserves the #1 ranking. Nobody else has ever beaten that many top fighters, and he dominated most of them.

  238. kd July 1, 2014 at 2:00 pm Reply

    The p4p all time list is the biggest joke ever. GSP over SIlva? That’s the biggest crock ever. Especially since GSP was scared to fight Anderson. People always said that Anderson is too big for GSP, but no one said that when GSP fought Serra. And, Serra won the first fight. GSP was a great fighter, but he wasn’t the GOAT. I’d take Liddell or Couture over GSP.

  239. kd August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    The p4p all time list is the biggest joke ever. GSP over SIlva? That’s the biggest crock ever. Especially since GSP was scared to fight Anderson. People always said that Anderson is too big for GSP, but no one said that when GSP fought Serra. And, Serra won the first fight. GSP was a great fighter, but he wasn’t the GOAT. I’d take Liddell or Couture over GSP.

  240. HD April 26, 2014 at 12:15 am Reply

    This is a bad way to see who should be the highest ranking mma fighter, especially since GSP’s later career was a snooze fest and Anderson Silva’s later career in his prime was fking amazing.

  241. HD August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    This is a bad way to see who should be the highest ranking mma fighter, especially since GSP’s later career was a snooze fest and Anderson Silva’s later career in his prime was fking amazing.

  242. jason March 23, 2014 at 8:33 pm Reply

    MMA is still too young and too tumultuous to do any kind of projections like that.

  243. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    MMA is still too young and too tumultuous to do any kind of projections like that.

  244. Mark March 23, 2014 at 1:04 pm Reply

    Have you considered posting long-term projections based on the ratings? IOW, using the ranking system and historical data to figure out the likelihood that the 6 – 0 Fighter X will be in the top 10 three years from now? Or in the all-time rankings ten years from now?

  245. Mark August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Have you considered posting long-term projections based on the ratings? IOW, using the ranking system and historical data to figure out the likelihood that the 6 – 0 Fighter X will be in the top 10 three years from now? Or in the all-time rankings ten years from now?

  246. thonolansghost January 25, 2014 at 3:20 am Reply

    Personally, I think these rankings are very accurate. Yeah, Marquardt gets way too much credit and Weidman is an interesting case… but otherwise, there’s nothing to complain about.

  247. Adam January 18, 2014 at 5:33 pm Reply

    Damn, Cro Cop gets NO respect on these rankings. Not on the all time Top 25? #9 heavyweight of all time? … SMFH. These rankings, overall, are a joke. “Division Dominance (Peak): 1. Chris Weidman” … Really? Ugh. Marquardt #2 Middleweight of all time? WHAT? Yasuhiro Urushitani, the greatest Flyweight of all time? …

    Smfh. What a joke.

  248. Adam August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Damn, Cro Cop gets NO respect on these rankings. Not on the all time Top 25? #9 heavyweight of all time? … SMFH. These rankings, overall, are a joke. “Division Dominance (Peak): 1. Chris Weidman” … Really? Ugh. Marquardt #2 Middleweight of all time? WHAT? Yasuhiro Urushitani, the greatest Flyweight of all time? …

    Smfh. What a joke.

  249. mark October 4, 2013 at 10:44 am Reply

    Does anyone else feel that Mirko CroCop is the only superstar from that era that’s missing from the Absolute rankings?

  250. mark August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Does anyone else feel that Mirko CroCop is the only superstar from that era that’s missing from the Absolute rankings?

  251. jason September 23, 2013 at 10:03 am Reply

    It’s the whole… Womens MMA is really still in its infancy factor.

    These rankings are “slower” to react to recent changes… I have no doubt you’ll see Rousey/Cyborg in the Top 5 soon enough.

  252. Steve September 23, 2013 at 9:54 am Reply

    i should clarify…out of whack a little assuming the difference bewteen #s is more than minute. If people next to each other could easily be swapped, then maybe not. Though, even though I don’t like her as a fighter, I’m surprised Cyborg isn’t ranked higher, unless her PED use was considered. She’s pretty dominant in the cage.

  253. Steve September 23, 2013 at 9:46 am Reply

    The Women’s rankings seem kinda out of whack.

  254. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    It’s the whole… Womens MMA is really still in its infancy factor.

    These rankings are “slower” to react to recent changes… I have no doubt you’ll see Rousey/Cyborg in the Top 5 soon enough.

  255. Steve August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    i should clarify…out of whack a little assuming the difference bewteen #s is more than minute. If people next to each other could easily be swapped, then maybe not. Though, even though I don’t like her as a fighter, I’m surprised Cyborg isn’t ranked higher, unless her PED use was considered. She’s pretty dominant in the cage.

  256. Steve August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    The Women’s rankings seem kinda out of whack.

  257. jason July 14, 2013 at 10:34 am Reply

    Having the “peak DD” in All-Time is tough… because as long as the new #1 beats the old #1 while the old #1 is still in his prime… the new #1 will be higher ranked in all-time DD because the divisions keep getting stronger and the distance between #1 and the division norm will keep getting wider.

  258. oleg July 13, 2013 at 8:35 pm Reply

    Yeah… I’d just associate a high DD ranking with dominant champion, weak division, or both. Neither is the case here.

    It’s gotta be just the odd distribution of points among the top guys. Silva and Belfort must fall into the exclusion band, and everyone else in top 10 is pretty much in dead heat in the low 300’s.

  259. oleg August 19, 2018 at 10:53 pm Reply

    Yeah… I’d just associate a high DD ranking with dominant champion, weak division, or both. Neither is the case here.

    It’s gotta be just the odd distribution of points among the top guys. Silva and Belfort must fall into the exclusion band, and everyone else in top 10 is pretty much in dead heat in the low 300’s.

  260. jason July 12, 2013 at 11:41 am Reply

    He’s the man that beat the man that beat the man…. etc.

  261. oleg July 12, 2013 at 10:49 am Reply

    Very strange to see Chris Weidman as #4 peak DD of all time. Even more odd is that his peak DD rating is higher than Anderson Silva’s peak.

  262. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    He’s the man that beat the man that beat the man…. etc.

  263. oleg August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    Very strange to see Chris Weidman as #4 peak DD of all time. Even more odd is that his peak DD rating is higher than Anderson Silva’s peak.

  264. oleg May 26, 2013 at 10:07 am Reply

    They disappeared for a day… back now.

  265. ThonolansGhost May 25, 2013 at 2:51 pm Reply

    What do you mean by “run off”?

  266. Mark May 21, 2013 at 8:47 pm Reply

    The Absolute rankings appear to have run off.

  267. Mark August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    The Absolute rankings appear to have run off.

  268. ThonolansGhost March 17, 2013 at 2:43 pm Reply

    Marquardt’s career seems to be finally winding down…he should start slidind down the all-time list over the next several months.

  269. Mark March 17, 2013 at 5:24 am Reply

    Even ignoring CroCop winning K1, the success he had in it before he went into MMA makes his MMA success more incredible.

  270. Mark August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Even ignoring CroCop winning K1, the success he had in it before he went into MMA makes his MMA success more incredible.

  271. ThonolansGhost March 16, 2013 at 8:26 pm Reply

    K-1 hasn’t been relavent in at least ten years.

  272. oleg March 16, 2013 at 12:01 pm Reply

    It was a rather weak field by K-1 GP standards, compared to Mirko’s glory days. Wonder if he will retire now on a high note, having finally won a title.

  273. Mark March 16, 2013 at 5:33 am Reply

    CroCop winning K1! I know it’s a different combat sport but surely what this man has achieved in K1 makes his MMA successes even more impressive! If his place was switched with Josh Barnett’s in the heavyweight rankings they would be perfect.

  274. Mark August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    CroCop winning K1! I know it’s a different combat sport but surely what this man has achieved in K1 makes his MMA successes even more impressive! If his place was switched with Josh Barnett’s in the heavyweight rankings they would be perfect.

  275. mark March 10, 2013 at 10:01 am Reply

    How is Gilbert Melendez above Shogun when he hasn’t fought in the UFC? He hasn’t fought any of the top lightweights of the UFC yet he’s above Shogun who’s fought a who’s-who of the lightheavy weight division. How are Faber and Marquart above Shogun as well? Cheers, Mark.

  276. jason March 9, 2013 at 8:34 am Reply

    It already works this way Mark.

  277. Mark March 9, 2013 at 8:04 am Reply

    If the light-heavyweight fighters and the heavyweight fighters were given more points for being in more challenging and tougher divisions, would this knock Anderson Silva off the top spot in the absolute rankings?

  278. Mark August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    If the light-heavyweight fighters and the heavyweight fighters were given more points for being in more challenging and tougher divisions, would this knock Anderson Silva off the top spot in the absolute rankings?

  279. jason March 4, 2013 at 10:22 am Reply

    I have 145.. while Gomes came in “over” at 149. This was not confirmed by a commission report.

  280. chicagocane March 4, 2013 at 10:05 am Reply

    what did rousey weigh for her 1st pro fight against gomes?

  281. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    I have 145.. while Gomes came in “over” at 149. This was not confirmed by a commission report.

  282. jason March 3, 2013 at 12:25 pm Reply

    He’s ranked #37. He’s being held back a bit by only having three fights (two wins) in the division. He should get into the list before the end of the year though, assuming he gets another win… he’s just being throttled by some of the metrics.

  283. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    He’s ranked #37. He’s being held back a bit by only having three fights (two wins) in the division. He should get into the list before the end of the year though, assuming he gets another win… he’s just being throttled by some of the metrics.

  284. ThonolansGhost March 2, 2013 at 11:02 pm Reply

    How close is Benavidez to the top 25 flyweight list?

  285. ThonolansGhost March 2, 2013 at 11:01 pm Reply

    It looks like some sort of changes in the system? I just noticed that Liddell passed Jackson at light heavyweight and Sherk passed Franklin yet again. Roussey just moved up two more spots as well.

  286. jason March 2, 2013 at 1:36 pm Reply

    That top 3 is pretty lofty like it is at LHW, but Rousey should get to #4 fairly quickly.

    The real “run” is up now. Yesterday’s was an intermediate of sorts..

  287. ThonolansGhost March 2, 2013 at 2:03 am Reply

    Nice to see Ronda finally listed.

  288. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    Nice to see Ronda finally listed.

  289. jason February 26, 2013 at 11:05 am Reply

    Because we got new fight data where his fights lasted a bit longer, thus bumping up his average.

  290. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    Because we got new fight data where his fights lasted a bit longer, thus bumping up his average.

  291. daryl sheets February 25, 2013 at 7:23 pm Reply

    Why is Matt gabel no longer listed on shortest win average?

  292. daryl sheets August 20, 2018 at 8:28 am Reply

    Why is Matt gabel no longer listed on shortest win average?

  293. jason February 24, 2013 at 12:16 pm Reply

    She should enter the top 25 next month… and then move up pretty quickly.

  294. jason August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    She should enter the top 25 next month… and then move up pretty quickly.

  295. chicagocane February 24, 2013 at 12:51 am Reply

    will rousey crack the top 25 now? 2/24/2013

  296. mark February 23, 2013 at 9:46 am Reply

    I absolutely love this site! The rankings for each division are very near spot on! I’ve mentioned this before but the absolute division is the only one I think is inaccurate because it doesn’t take into account the difference in quality between the divisions. Faber, Marquart and Melendez above Shogun! Melendez hasn’t even fought Edgar/Maynard/Henderson/pettis/Diaz/Penn and he’s above Shogun!!! And CroCop has to be on the list. Barnett is on the list and how many men dominate barnett 3 times!! Top quality site though, keep up the good work.

  297. mark August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    I absolutely love this site! The rankings for each division are very near spot on! I’ve mentioned this before but the absolute division is the only one I think is inaccurate because it doesn’t take into account the difference in quality between the divisions. Faber, Marquart and Melendez above Shogun! Melendez hasn’t even fought Edgar/Maynard/Henderson/pettis/Diaz/Penn and he’s above Shogun!!! And CroCop has to be on the list. Barnett is on the list and how many men dominate barnett 3 times!! Top quality site though, keep up the good work.

  298. jason February 3, 2013 at 12:43 pm Reply

    FYI – Strawweight is at a limit of 120lb… or at least, that’s what we’re starting it at.

  299. ThonolansGhost January 16, 2013 at 12:35 pm Reply

    Now I’m wondering just how far down the list Cro Cop has slid… He must be 34th or worse- Dos Santos is 33rd and higher than Cro Cop in the all-time heavyweight rankings (and both of them have spent their entire mma careers at heavyweight, with no input from other divisions).

  300. mark January 14, 2013 at 5:28 am Reply

    ps I appreciate your feedback 🙂

  301. mark January 14, 2013 at 5:15 am Reply

    I know what you are saying but the rankings don’t take into account the fact that the middleweight division has always been a B class division with B level fighters. If CroCop was a middleweight he would have never lost. You can’t just assume that each division has the exact same quality of fighters. Even now the middlweight division is devoid of superstar talent apart form Anderson of course.

  302. ThonolansGhost January 13, 2013 at 8:24 pm Reply

    LOL… What does Crop Cop’s success in K-1 kickboxing have to do with his ranking on the all-time absolute MMA list? And like I already said, Cro Cop was a top quality MMA fighter for 4-5 years and was never higher than the number 3 guy in his division even then.

    Meanwhile, Franklin was briefly #1 in his division and near the top for several years. Barnett has been a top 10 heavyweight for about 13 years (although it’s been several years since he’s beaten a top 10 heavyweight). Fitch was the #2 or #3 welterweight for about 6 years. I do think Marquardt is overrated, but even he was a top 10 middleweight for most of the last 10 or 12 years.

    Basically, Cro Cop’s time near the top wasn’t long enough to justify him being on this list. Similar to Tito Ortiz, time has past him by and he fell off the list. Rich Franklin will soon follow him. And Fitch soon afterwards.

  303. mark January 13, 2013 at 3:52 pm Reply

    Barnett is on the list and Cro Cop destroyed him 3 times. Cro Cop was the most feared striker in the world, hanged with Fedor, dominated Big Nog before getting submitted, ended Wanderlei’s reign at the top, and carried out so many highlight reel knockouts – plus he crossed over from a different combat sport in which he was also successful in K1. Marquart, Frnaklin and Fitch haven’t doen anything near as impressive.

  304. ThonolansGhost January 13, 2013 at 5:43 am Reply

    Also, Cro Cop’s MMA prime only lasted four or five years (and at best, he was the number #3 guy in his division during that time).

  305. ThonolansGhost January 13, 2013 at 5:37 am Reply

    I don’t have any problems with Cro Cop being left left off, but I’ll never agree with Marquardt being way up there at #14.

  306. mark January 12, 2013 at 8:47 am Reply

    Does anyone know why Barnett, Franklin, Marquart and Fitch are on the absolute list when CroCop isn’t? He is the only superstar missing from it. He was a far superior fighter to the 4 I just mentioned.

  307. jason January 5, 2013 at 9:34 am Reply

    She’ll be ranked very soon.

  308. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    She’ll be ranked very soon.

  309. chicagocane January 2, 2013 at 9:26 pm Reply

    how close is rousey to the top 25?

  310. chicagocane August 19, 2018 at 7:41 pm Reply

    how close is rousey to the top 25?

  311. ThonolansGhost January 1, 2013 at 7:59 pm Reply

    Thanks for the quick info.

  312. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    Thanks for the quick info.

  313. jason January 1, 2013 at 11:09 am Reply

    Cain #29, JDS #33

  314. ThonolansGhost January 1, 2013 at 11:04 am Reply

    How close are Velasquez and Dos Santos to reaching the top 25 on the absolute list?

  315. jason August 19, 2018 at 10:53 pm Reply

    Cain #29, JDS #33

  316. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    How close are Velasquez and Dos Santos to reaching the top 25 on the absolute list?

  317. chicagocane December 31, 2012 at 6:34 pm Reply

    why isn’t ronda rousey ranked yet?

  318. chicagocane August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    why isn’t ronda rousey ranked yet?

  319. ThonolansGhost December 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm Reply

    Come to think of it, Dos Santos and Velasquez should both reach the top four on the heavyweight list sometime in 2013, just before they enter the top 25 on the absolute list.

  320. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 9:42 pm Reply

    Come to think of it, Dos Santos and Velasquez should both reach the top four on the heavyweight list sometime in 2013, just before they enter the top 25 on the absolute list.

  321. ThonolansGhost December 30, 2012 at 11:07 am Reply

    I’m guessing that Velasquez and Dos Santos will both be in the top four of the all-time heavyweight list within a couple of years. I’m also thinking that they will both reach the top 25 on the absolute list sometime in 2013.

  322. jason November 25, 2012 at 9:44 pm Reply

    Silva/GSP/Fedor/Hughes are going to have some staying power. They are the tier 1 legends of the sport.

    I think the rest of those guys you see in the top 25 except for Aldo, Jon Jones and maybe Rashad and Melendez are going to get swallowed up. Only reason I list them as maybes is because I think they still have time left to do things…

  323. Mark November 21, 2012 at 4:41 pm Reply

    Is it inevitable that the fighters at the top of the Absolute list will move down the list as the sport progresses and grows? Where do you think Fedor/GSP/Silva/Hughes/Big Nog will be on the list ten years from now?

  324. Mark August 19, 2018 at 10:53 pm Reply

    Is it inevitable that the fighters at the top of the Absolute list will move down the list as the sport progresses and grows? Where do you think Fedor/GSP/Silva/Hughes/Big Nog will be on the list ten years from now?

  325. jason November 6, 2012 at 12:12 pm Reply

    BJ fighting outside of the division means nothing for his Lightweight ranking — it actually takes away from it because it means he spent time in other divisions that he could’ve spent at Lightweight. Notice BJ is ranked at Welterweight and also has points at Middleweight. Also notice BJ is higher in the Absolute ranking.

    Gomi spent his entire career at Lightweight.

    It’s actually pretty close between 1 and 2, but Gomi has it based on much, much more worthwhile longevity in the division. It’s like Sandy Koufax (BJ) vs. Nolan Ryan (Gomi).

    Now, even if Penn never goes back to 155.. he COULD eventually catch Gomi. It’s unlikely, but possible — we do backfill data as it comes along and if Gomi tanks hard, even though we mostly discount past-prime mega losing.. it’s not totally discounted.

  326. FlubberGuard November 6, 2012 at 11:58 am Reply

    Ummm, Gomi over BJ? Whaaat? Makes no sense at all. BJ faced tougher competition, fought out of his weight class, held a UFC belt, dominated the lightweight division, is a two division UFC champ, and utterly DOMINATED Gomi. What did Gomi really do? Crush a bunch of cans and then get smoked by any haf decent fighter he fights in the UFC, that’s what.

  327. jason August 21, 2012 at 8:07 am Reply

    Who is Rhonda? I’d expect RONDA to make her appearance on the list very soon. She has a whopping SIX fights.

  328. aaron August 21, 2012 at 7:10 am Reply

    wow Ms. rhonda not on the top 25 how many of her victims are on that list

  329. aaron August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    wow Ms. rhonda not on the top 25 how many of her victims are on that list

  330. jason August 9, 2012 at 4:19 pm Reply

    Hmm Hector Lombard surpassed Tanner on this latest update.

    At first glance, it may seem strange, but Tanner had a grand total of 5 wins at Middleweight. Yes, one was a UFC championship fight for a vacant belt.. against David Terrell, a 5-1 fighter.

    Lombard has dozens of wins at Middleweight. Tanner may have achieved a higher peak, but it was extremely short.

  331. mark August 9, 2012 at 4:19 pm Reply

    Love this site, the rankings are so accurate… almost! Where is cro-cop in the pound-for-pound list? I feel he was a far superior fighter to marquart, franklin, barnett, etc… I don’t know if these rankings take into account that the middleweight division has always been far weaker than the light-heavyweight division. But other than that it’s a quality site!

  332. jason August 3, 2012 at 7:33 am Reply

    We don’t really want to do that, because most viewers will think anything that happened since the last update was due to current fights, when in actuality, fluctuations on this list can and have been pretty wild and seemingly random.

  333. Mark August 2, 2012 at 9:01 pm Reply

    Any chance you could show the number of spots a fighter moved up or down since the last update?

  334. ThonolansGhost July 20, 2012 at 1:01 pm Reply

    Thanks for the info. That’s about what I expected, they could reach the top 25 by the end of the year.

  335. jason July 20, 2012 at 11:08 am Reply

    Jones 35, JDS 37

  336. ThonolansGhost July 19, 2012 at 8:21 am Reply

    JCS, could you tell us where Dos Santos and Jones are ranked on the all-time absolute list?

  337. ThonolansGhost July 2, 2012 at 4:22 pm Reply

    Jones hasn’t spent enough time at or near the top of his division. Give it another 6-12 months.

  338. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Jones hasn’t spent enough time at or near the top of his division. Give it another 6-12 months.

  339. TLC June 25, 2012 at 2:24 pm Reply

    I don’t understand why Jones isn’t ranked on Absolute.

    3rd highest at his peak, with over 16 fights and he isn’t passed guys like Edgar who have had less fights, or guys like Machida who have had barely more fights but a LOT less notable wins than Jones?

  340. Mark June 18, 2012 at 8:33 pm Reply

    Wow, Rampage has moved into first place on the light heavyweight list. I find that ranking at least plausible, but I suspect that if you polled on this issue you would get more votes for Chuck, Wand, and probably Jones than you would for Rampage. This seems to show the value of this method of ranking fighters — it brings out these sorts of things with subjective rankings usually miss. I think he has been underrated for most of his career anyway.

  341. jason June 8, 2012 at 11:19 am Reply

    Fighters are rated in the divisions they fought, not in the division they weighed in at. He is nowhere near the greatest fighter in history. After his three years of “dominance”, you saw how successful he was when fighters started learning how to handle wrestling.

  342. Mike June 7, 2012 at 11:27 pm Reply

    there’s a major issue with letting a computer pic the top fighters based on stats.

    it’s being fed stats about fighters who fight within certain weightclasses. usually their own weight or a weight they cut down to.

    problem is Kazushi Sakuraba is nowhere on the lists. He was 183lbs. BJ Penn’s walk around weight. the difference is he fought the best fighters in the world reguardless of weight, beating most of them. Not to mention he didn’t fight outpoint folks he always fought to finish. He is arguably the greatest fighter in history with 3 years of dominance under his belt and ending the Gracie unbeatable myth. Also beating 7 men who were UFC WW-HW champs aswell as 3 kings of Pancrase and a Dream GP champ.

  343. ThonolansGhost June 3, 2012 at 12:54 pm Reply

    Aldo finally caught Faber on the featherweight list…. well, it was always just a matter of time.

  344. jason April 17, 2012 at 6:35 pm Reply

    Highest absolute total for fighters not in any of the existing Top 25 lists.

  345. ThonolansGhost April 17, 2012 at 6:26 pm Reply

    This new list is sort of interesting, but I’d much rather see the all-time absolute list expanded to 50 fighters.

  346. oleg April 17, 2012 at 6:20 pm Reply

    Interesting… what is the criteria for such a blended list?

  347. jason April 17, 2012 at 2:49 pm Reply

    I’m thinking of making this a new ranking in the all-time list. This is a Top 25 of all fighters not found in any of the Top 25s above. Sort of a “Best of the Rest”. Guys who didn’t quite make the Top 25.. or guys who spent time in many different divisions.

    Norifumi Yamamoto
    Carlos Newton
    Manabu Yamada
    Uchu Tatsumi
    Jason DeLucia
    Vladimir Matyushenko
    Akihiro Gono
    Ricco Rodriguez
    Kiyoshi Tamura
    Joe Doerksen
    Gabriel Gonzaga
    Thales Leites
    Ikuhisa Minowa
    Gilbert Yvel
    Akitoshi Tamura
    Heath Herring
    Cheick Kongo
    Josh Thomson
    Antonio Silva
    Joe Stevenson
    Phillip Miller
    Dan Severn
    Denis Kang
    Martin Kampmann
    Jay Hieron

  348. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    I’m thinking of making this a new ranking in the all-time list. This is a Top 25 of all fighters not found in any of the Top 25s above. Sort of a “Best of the Rest”. Guys who didn’t quite make the Top 25.. or guys who spent time in many different divisions.

    Norifumi Yamamoto
    Carlos Newton
    Manabu Yamada
    Uchu Tatsumi
    Jason DeLucia
    Vladimir Matyushenko
    Akihiro Gono
    Ricco Rodriguez
    Kiyoshi Tamura
    Joe Doerksen
    Gabriel Gonzaga
    Thales Leites
    Ikuhisa Minowa
    Gilbert Yvel
    Akitoshi Tamura
    Heath Herring
    Cheick Kongo
    Josh Thomson
    Antonio Silva
    Joe Stevenson
    Phillip Miller
    Dan Severn
    Denis Kang
    Martin Kampmann
    Jay Hieron

  349. jason April 8, 2012 at 11:57 am Reply

    This DD list is a little different.. you have to have some good tenure in the division to make the all-time list.

  350. oleg April 8, 2012 at 11:54 am Reply

    Will Benavidez make Peak Division Dominance Top 25?

  351. jason April 3, 2012 at 9:03 pm Reply

    Yes, Gary. Being top-ranked with stronger competition results in an increased standing… so it is slanted toward modern fighters in that aspect.

  352. Gary April 3, 2012 at 8:23 pm Reply

    Sorry if answered already, but is this all-time list skewed, (intentionally or unintentionally), to favour guys who are more modern because there are more fighters to be measured against as time goes on?

    Guys that seem lower, but were most certainly quite dominant in their time would include Vovchanchin, Menne, Frank Shamrock, Dan Severn, etc.

    Would someone like Mousasi score higher because he’s in a bigger pond now, compared to when Frank Shamrock completely dominated his era?

    It’s hard to imagine Mousasi being mentioned before Frank Shamrock in a conversation about all-time great LHWS, or Lesnar before Vovchanchin in the HWs, etc.

  353. ThonolansGhost March 4, 2012 at 7:10 pm Reply

    Thanks for the prompt reply. As always, it’s greatly appreciated.

  354. jason March 4, 2012 at 6:05 pm Reply

    Sanchez 39, Cruz 57… of course, Sanchez is probably peaked out.

  355. ThonolansGhost March 4, 2012 at 3:52 pm Reply

    Jcs, Could you tell us where Dominick Cruz and Diego Sanchez are ranked on the all-time absolute list?

  356. ThonolansGhost December 5, 2011 at 10:33 pm Reply

    Nice to see GSP in the #2 spot- it’s long overdue.

  357. jason December 1, 2011 at 5:36 pm Reply

    Did not expect Fedor to get overtaken…

  358. jason November 17, 2011 at 11:03 am Reply

    Horn is #56 at HW All-Time. As you may know, for “current rankings”, we only have quarterly snapshots prior to a few years ago. Therefore, the resolution isn’t THAT precise in order to give you a valid ‘highest’ ever rank at HW. I do see he held positions around #20 a few times..

  359. rudeboyben84 November 17, 2011 at 5:10 am Reply

    Did Horn ever get ranked as a Hw? What was the highest ranking he posted on current rankings as a Hw if he did?

    Where would he feature on the career list as a heavyweight as well?

    Thanks again.

  360. jason November 16, 2011 at 9:56 am Reply

    Hendo’s accomplishment was for the career rankings, not the current rankings.. What are you asking for in regards to Horn?

  361. rudeboyben84 November 15, 2011 at 4:46 pm Reply

    JCS I was wondering if I could bother you to dig out a stat for me. Im doing a Hall of Fame on the armbar and Im thinking about Jeremy Horn.

    You recently posted that Hendo was the 1st man to crack the top 50 in 3 devisions, I was wondering what Horn ranked at Hw at the highest, I know he drew with Severn and after he beat Liddell I could be wrong but he got another Hw win in UFC.

    Was curious to know how high he got at Hw if it isnt a hastle to dig out the stats. Cheers mate.

  362. jason November 14, 2011 at 5:48 pm Reply

    Once a month, usually on the 2nd or 3rd.

  363. Sem November 14, 2011 at 5:40 pm Reply

    Are these rankings automatically re-calculated once a fighter in the list was updated in the current MMA rankings?
    Like JDS who has gone to #1 in the HW div, do you have to manually trigger the update in the all-time HW div or is it done automatically?

  364. jason October 21, 2011 at 11:39 am Reply

    Update coming today. Improved precision on two metrics for division equalization and magnification of the top P4P fighters before divisions really existed. No real changes except for some old-timers like Royce moving up. May also cause shuffling in the overall.

  365. jason October 21, 2011 at 10:25 am Reply

    #32

    100 wins, true.. but how many are worth a damn? 5? Maybe? And that was when the sport was very weak.

    One of the challenges in creating this list is determining how much effect that divisional strength has. What is better, being #3 in a division when there are 50 fighters in it, or being #6 in a division when there are 1000?

  366. rudeboyben84 October 21, 2011 at 8:03 am Reply

    Where is Dan Severn on the Hw list?!!! 100 wins and the dude still can get his place in the top 25!

    Do you know where he ranks in terms of the Hw all timers?

    Cheers.

  367. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Update coming today. Improved precision on two metrics for division equalization and magnification of the top P4P fighters before divisions really existed. No real changes except for some old-timers like Royce moving up. May also cause shuffling in the overall.

  368. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    #32

    100 wins, true.. but how many are worth a damn? 5? Maybe? And that was when the sport was very weak.

    One of the challenges in creating this list is determining how much effect that divisional strength has. What is better, being #3 in a division when there are 50 fighters in it, or being #6 in a division when there are 1000?

  369. ThonolansGhost October 7, 2011 at 9:01 am Reply

    Absolutely, I’ve always thought that Gomi was somewhat overrated. In fact, I still believe that many fighters who fought mostly in Japan during their primes tend to be overrated. I know that you’ve made some adjustments to deal with this problem, but in my opinion, not enough.

  370. jason October 6, 2011 at 3:06 pm Reply

    That’s mostly true, but I cannot completely exclude it from consideration. It’s also kind of tough to gauge the primes of fighters that are still fighting… If it continues to be a problem I’ll take a look at it, though prime or no prime, I think this latest stint may have proven that Gomi would have had issues hanging in the UFC back in his prime. and personally, at this point I think 13th is better than 8th for him IMO.

  371. ThonolansGhost October 6, 2011 at 2:12 pm Reply

    I thought losses at the end of a career wasn’t supposed to cause a former great to spiral downwards in the rankings?

  372. jason October 5, 2011 at 2:11 pm Reply

    I also agree with it.. and not sure why it happened. All I can figure is that this latest loss sent Gomi spiraling on one (or more) of the metrics we use to derive these rankings.

  373. ThonolansGhost October 5, 2011 at 12:36 pm Reply

    Thanks for the quick reply.

    And I hadn’t even noticed that Gomi had dropped several spots (but i do agree with it).

  374. jason October 5, 2011 at 12:30 pm Reply

    Some notes about the Absolute…

    – Anderson and Fedor are still awfully close, in fact, a fluctuation could see Fedor jump atop momentarily… However, it’s not likely to happen.

    – GSP has a ways to go to take #2.

    – Gomi took a major dump in this latest update.

    – Evans is #27, Hioki is #30, Edgar #32, Koscheck #44 — Edgar and Evans have more momentum than the other two IMO.

  375. ThonolansGhost October 5, 2011 at 12:26 pm Reply

    In fact, Hatsu Hioki should be closing in on the top 25 as well.

  376. ThonolansGhost October 5, 2011 at 12:07 pm Reply

    Any idea how close Rashad Evans, Frankie Edgar and Josh Koscheck are to entering the all-time absolute list? They must be getting close.

    In fact, I think Evans was briefly listed before a recent update (or am I wrong?).

  377. jason August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    I also agree with it.. and not sure why it happened. All I can figure is that this latest loss sent Gomi spiraling on one (or more) of the metrics we use to derive these rankings.

  378. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 2:21 am Reply

    Any idea how close Rashad Evans, Frankie Edgar and Josh Koscheck are to entering the all-time absolute list? They must be getting close.

    In fact, I think Evans was briefly listed before a recent update (or am I wrong?).

  379. ThonolansGhost October 3, 2011 at 3:36 pm Reply

    It’s nice to see that Aldo finally made the Absolute list. I’d expect him to to move up very rapidly over the next year or so. I also expect him to replace Faber as #1 on the all-time featherweight list sometime next year.

  380. jason October 3, 2011 at 12:29 pm Reply

    All-time rankings down for a few hours..

  381. jason September 24, 2011 at 8:51 am Reply

    Cardella has never been anywhere close to #8. He’s not even ranked currently.

    Where did you see that info?

  382. mike September 24, 2011 at 6:26 am Reply

    I am being told that a Phil Cardella is ranked #8 in the world. When I see him on your sight it is 458. So which is true? Was at one point in time ranked #8? Thank you in advance for your help? Best regards,
    Mike Almstead

  383. jason September 16, 2011 at 2:22 pm Reply

    It’s not a penalty per say… but fighters at the top of today’s lists are going to rack up points quicker than those who stood at the top of lists from years ago when the divisional depth was weaker. This is a very fine line.

  384. Thonolansghost September 16, 2011 at 2:08 pm Reply

    jcs,

    I have a question about the all-time lists. Previously you’ve indicated that there is a penalty of some sort given to fighters who dominated in the early days of MMA. How severe is the penalty? If I had to guess, I’d say that it isn’t nearly severe enough. It seems to me that dominating a division of maybe two or three dozen fighters should only be worth a fraction of the points that a fighters gets by dominating when there are several hundred active fighters in the division.

    Personally, I think this sort of modification would solve most of this site’s problems.

  385. jason August 20, 2018 at 8:28 am Reply

    It’s not a penalty per say… but fighters at the top of today’s lists are going to rack up points quicker than those who stood at the top of lists from years ago when the divisional depth was weaker. This is a very fine line.

  386. Thonolansghost August 20, 2018 at 8:28 am Reply

    jcs,

    I have a question about the all-time lists. Previously you’ve indicated that there is a penalty of some sort given to fighters who dominated in the early days of MMA. How severe is the penalty? If I had to guess, I’d say that it isn’t nearly severe enough. It seems to me that dominating a division of maybe two or three dozen fighters should only be worth a fraction of the points that a fighters gets by dominating when there are several hundred active fighters in the division.

    Personally, I think this sort of modification would solve most of this site’s problems.

  387. jason September 2, 2011 at 8:16 pm Reply

    I need a QA department.. fixed an issue in the Absolute ranks. I also think I’m missing a sort order somewhere in the calculations — i’m starting to think some of these fluctuations are caused by random ordering before some kind of calc. To be continued..

  388. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    I need a QA department.. fixed an issue in the Absolute ranks. I also think I’m missing a sort order somewhere in the calculations — i’m starting to think some of these fluctuations are caused by random ordering before some kind of calc. To be continued..

  389. ThonolansGhost September 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm Reply

    These all-time rankings just keep getting better all the time. I don’t really think Marquardt and Melendez deserve to be on the absolute list, but that’s just my opinion. Mostly, the rankings seem pretty darn accurate.

  390. jason September 2, 2011 at 11:58 am Reply

    The Top 3 at LHW is just a never-ending fluctuation. Hopefully Rampage will take the lead and run with it.

  391. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 9:52 pm Reply

    These all-time rankings just keep getting better all the time. I don’t really think Marquardt and Melendez deserve to be on the absolute list, but that’s just my opinion. Mostly, the rankings seem pretty darn accurate.

  392. jason August 25, 2011 at 7:25 pm Reply

    I started out with boxing. In fact, I assisted BoxRec with their rating software before I created FightMatrix.

    I don’t necessarily agree with the Ali/Liddell, Gomi/Louis comparisons though. If we’re going with Heavyweights, I’d probably compare Liddell to Floyd Patterson and Gomi to Holmes.

    But anyway, I hear what you’re saying about Sakuraba. These rankings feed primarily off of divisional accomplishments (P4P is included), but perhaps there isn’t enough direct head-to-head influence. Though, had Sakuraba beat enough guys at their primes, he would’ve been ranked higher, longer, and thus resulted in more points. Matchmaking also killed him. If he had fought at Middleweight his whole career, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    Another interesting topic is how to handle the old ‘open weight’ matches where both guys were say.. 180-190 pounds. If I have the data, I set the bout to the correct division. If I don’t, I usually will not assume and just set it to HW. Better data = better results.

  393. Rudeboyben84 August 25, 2011 at 4:24 pm Reply

    JCS cheers for the response, I ment Royce was top p4p in the world and undefeated in their fight. Makes sence he was p4p number 1 after winning maby even going in to the 1st Wanderlei fight he might have been p4p number 1 again then too?

    From the start of MMA there havnt been that many guys seen as top p4p fighter. I dont have an Idea how you could change the rankings to reflect this but as Koqebwix said fighting outside your weight class maby should have more effect on the rankings.

    It could maby take the weight they have averaged at or been at most, say Saku and Gracie Mw, beating Dan Severn, Randleman, Ken Shamrock, Belfort etc.. should count for a lot.

    Im guessing this wouldnt work because everyone was looked at as one weight class but but how do you treat wins like Hendo vs Fedor currently? Was he credited more for beating a guy outside his weight class more than a guy of the exact ranking of Fedor at Lhw?

    Ive no Idea about the career end point and I suppose it can only be applied to guys who have officially hung up the gloves, someone really active like Severn doesnt and might not ever have a career end point at this rate.

    Ive been trying to think about the career end thing but everything I come up with wouldnt work! I see how tough this must have been to do! But I dont know that it doesnt need looked at….

    Bad comparison but in all time boxing rankings Tyson isnt there and for good reason because as good as he was in his prime he fought on and lost to guys like Kevin McBride and Danny Williams. Roy Jones Jr should have been the great of a generation because he didnt call it a day at the right time, this ruins a legacy (see Ken Shamrock!) and I dont mind if your rankings dont have a career end factor it makes sence to not have one in a way.

    I think if Sakus recent losses are bad enough to overturn what he did in his career that fair enough but I think at a glance Smaller guys havnt got it fair in some rankings, most MMA diehards I know would say Saku, Frank Shammy, Gracie on an All time great list and I wonder if there was a way to reflect weight more of old fights would they come into the rankings or are people having rose tinted glasses.

    Again if you look at Boxing rankings they reward guys for who you beat insted of Long Runs, I dont know if you can prioritise what gives a fighters more points to tweek things and see how it looks but I thought Look at Liddell as Ali, he fought the best possible opposition in the golden era of the best devision then, Gomi as Joe Louis Joe Louis has a better career record and held the title for far longer yet most people have Ali over Louis… I dont know if you follow boxing or that made sence but I think a fighter is firstly Judged on who he beat more than any other factor.

    Cheers.

  394. jason August 25, 2011 at 3:34 pm Reply

    Right Thonolan.. and that’s especially true now, as I’ve fixed that loophole. As a result, you’ll notice some modest changes, one being CroCop’s entry (likely temporary) in the Absolute 25.

  395. ThonolansGhost August 25, 2011 at 3:33 pm Reply

    “What if Anderson Silva stays at the top for another 5 years, then continues to fight for another 15 years, loosing mosts of his fights, even against average fighters?
    If losses count, he will leave the top position (and maybe the top 20)… even if no other fighter achieved what he did.”

    I don’t think it works that way. Under this scenario, Silva would eventually drop out of the current rankings and would cease to continue building up points. But no matter how many times he lost, I don’t think he would lose any of the all-time points that he’s already accumulated.

  396. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:49 pm Reply

    I started out with boxing. In fact, I assisted BoxRec with their rating software before I created FightMatrix.

    I don’t necessarily agree with the Ali/Liddell, Gomi/Louis comparisons though. If we’re going with Heavyweights, I’d probably compare Liddell to Floyd Patterson and Gomi to Holmes.

    But anyway, I hear what you’re saying about Sakuraba. These rankings feed primarily off of divisional accomplishments (P4P is included), but perhaps there isn’t enough direct head-to-head influence. Though, had Sakuraba beat enough guys at their primes, he would’ve been ranked higher, longer, and thus resulted in more points. Matchmaking also killed him. If he had fought at Middleweight his whole career, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    Another interesting topic is how to handle the old ‘open weight’ matches where both guys were say.. 180-190 pounds. If I have the data, I set the bout to the correct division. If I don’t, I usually will not assume and just set it to HW. Better data = better results.

  397. Rudeboyben84 August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    JCS cheers for the response, I ment Royce was top p4p in the world and undefeated in their fight. Makes sence he was p4p number 1 after winning maby even going in to the 1st Wanderlei fight he might have been p4p number 1 again then too?

    From the start of MMA there havnt been that many guys seen as top p4p fighter. I dont have an Idea how you could change the rankings to reflect this but as Koqebwix said fighting outside your weight class maby should have more effect on the rankings.

    It could maby take the weight they have averaged at or been at most, say Saku and Gracie Mw, beating Dan Severn, Randleman, Ken Shamrock, Belfort etc.. should count for a lot.

    Im guessing this wouldnt work because everyone was looked at as one weight class but but how do you treat wins like Hendo vs Fedor currently? Was he credited more for beating a guy outside his weight class more than a guy of the exact ranking of Fedor at Lhw?

    Ive no Idea about the career end point and I suppose it can only be applied to guys who have officially hung up the gloves, someone really active like Severn doesnt and might not ever have a career end point at this rate.

    Ive been trying to think about the career end thing but everything I come up with wouldnt work! I see how tough this must have been to do! But I dont know that it doesnt need looked at….

    Bad comparison but in all time boxing rankings Tyson isnt there and for good reason because as good as he was in his prime he fought on and lost to guys like Kevin McBride and Danny Williams. Roy Jones Jr should have been the great of a generation because he didnt call it a day at the right time, this ruins a legacy (see Ken Shamrock!) and I dont mind if your rankings dont have a career end factor it makes sence to not have one in a way.

    I think if Sakus recent losses are bad enough to overturn what he did in his career that fair enough but I think at a glance Smaller guys havnt got it fair in some rankings, most MMA diehards I know would say Saku, Frank Shammy, Gracie on an All time great list and I wonder if there was a way to reflect weight more of old fights would they come into the rankings or are people having rose tinted glasses.

    Again if you look at Boxing rankings they reward guys for who you beat insted of Long Runs, I dont know if you can prioritise what gives a fighters more points to tweek things and see how it looks but I thought Look at Liddell as Ali, he fought the best possible opposition in the golden era of the best devision then, Gomi as Joe Louis Joe Louis has a better career record and held the title for far longer yet most people have Ali over Louis… I dont know if you follow boxing or that made sence but I think a fighter is firstly Judged on who he beat more than any other factor.

    Cheers.

  398. jason August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    Right Thonolan.. and that’s especially true now, as I’ve fixed that loophole. As a result, you’ll notice some modest changes, one being CroCop’s entry (likely temporary) in the Absolute 25.

  399. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    “What if Anderson Silva stays at the top for another 5 years, then continues to fight for another 15 years, loosing mosts of his fights, even against average fighters?
    If losses count, he will leave the top position (and maybe the top 20)… even if no other fighter achieved what he did.”

    I don’t think it works that way. Under this scenario, Silva would eventually drop out of the current rankings and would cease to continue building up points. But no matter how many times he lost, I don’t think he would lose any of the all-time points that he’s already accumulated.

  400. jason August 25, 2011 at 8:07 am Reply

    1 – Losses have to count. There’s no way around this, other than a 100% re-design of the all-time rankings (not gonna happen).
    2 – The overall strength has to count for something. Otherwise, you’d have guys like Erik Paulson near the top of the Middleweight list.
    3 – I realize this adversely affects the prestige of a few fighters, but I don’t have enough old data to even begin to fairly compensate.
    4 – Thanks!

    I’ve got a fair routine in place to exclude some of the extreme past prime cases from a few of the metrics. Minor change, probably for the better, but will result in even stranger fluctuations..

    I updated the rankings with this change, though the top date didn’t change… Ah well. This minor change had very little effect on the fighters that I thought it would affect.

  401. Koqebwix August 24, 2011 at 6:51 pm Reply

    I know that making a computer calculated ranking system is very difficult.
    There are always some exeptions and extreme cases to deal with…

    Here are 3 ideas (and arguments) I wish to throw in:

    1) LOSSES

    I think the “all times” rankings should not count losses at all.

    Why?
    What if Anderson Silva stays at the top for another 5 years, then continues to fight for another 15 years, loosing mosts of his fights, even against average fighters?
    If losses count, he will leave the top position (and maybe the top 20)… even if no other fighter achieved what he did.

    And now imagine that by this time, JSP stays at the top for another 5 years too, then retires.
    If losses counts, he will surely be way above Silva in the p4p ranking.
    For what? Watching television while Anderson is in the ring?

    I think that what a fighter has done can’t be undone. This is the purpose of “all times” rankings.
    There’s no reason why loosing some fights (even against my little sister) should undo any achievement made.

    However, I you consider this option, you will need to do another adjustment: Consecutive wins must count far better than wins followed (or preceeded) by losses.
    So losses WILL count, bur only by reducing the effect of nearby wins.
    This should prevent fighters loosing half the time from being ranked as high as fighters who always win.

    2) MMA WAS WEAK

    Just forget it.
    I know it is true, but this should not got into account.
    It’s like saying “Rod Laver is not so great because tennis was weak in the sixties”.

    Of course if he steps to a time portal and plays against some average guy of the 21st century, he will loose, but that’s not the question in an “all time best” ranking…

    If you drop the “mma was weak” rule, I think your ranking will include more legends and exclude some “probably future legends”.

    3) WEIGHT DIFFERENCE

    This should be taken into account, at least in the p4p rankings…
    In the old days, fighting a guy 20 (30, 50…) pounds heavier was very common.

    “Extreme case” test:
    Imagine that JSP starts to fight some heavywheights: A win over Dos Santos will be more impressive than a win over Diaz, no?

    If the ranking ignore weight difference, Dos Santos = Diaz
    And worse, Diaz > Struve…

    In my opinion, the JSP vs Dos Santos theorical fight is not simply a fight for JSP in the heavyweight division.

    4) THANKS FOR YOUR GREAT WORK

    We all love rankings, and there will never be a perfect system… so there will always be some guy like me telling you “Where’s my favourite? This list sucks”. 🙂

  402. Koqebwix August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    I know that making a computer calculated ranking system is very difficult.
    There are always some exeptions and extreme cases to deal with…

    Here are 3 ideas (and arguments) I wish to throw in:

    1) LOSSES

    I think the “all times” rankings should not count losses at all.

    Why?
    What if Anderson Silva stays at the top for another 5 years, then continues to fight for another 15 years, loosing mosts of his fights, even against average fighters?
    If losses count, he will leave the top position (and maybe the top 20)… even if no other fighter achieved what he did.

    And now imagine that by this time, JSP stays at the top for another 5 years too, then retires.
    If losses counts, he will surely be way above Silva in the p4p ranking.
    For what? Watching television while Anderson is in the ring?

    I think that what a fighter has done can’t be undone. This is the purpose of “all times” rankings.
    There’s no reason why loosing some fights (even against my little sister) should undo any achievement made.

    However, I you consider this option, you will need to do another adjustment: Consecutive wins must count far better than wins followed (or preceeded) by losses.
    So losses WILL count, bur only by reducing the effect of nearby wins.
    This should prevent fighters loosing half the time from being ranked as high as fighters who always win.

    2) MMA WAS WEAK

    Just forget it.
    I know it is true, but this should not got into account.
    It’s like saying “Rod Laver is not so great because tennis was weak in the sixties”.

    Of course if he steps to a time portal and plays against some average guy of the 21st century, he will loose, but that’s not the question in an “all time best” ranking…

    If you drop the “mma was weak” rule, I think your ranking will include more legends and exclude some “probably future legends”.

    3) WEIGHT DIFFERENCE

    This should be taken into account, at least in the p4p rankings…
    In the old days, fighting a guy 20 (30, 50…) pounds heavier was very common.

    “Extreme case” test:
    Imagine that JSP starts to fight some heavywheights: A win over Dos Santos will be more impressive than a win over Diaz, no?

    If the ranking ignore weight difference, Dos Santos = Diaz
    And worse, Diaz > Struve…

    In my opinion, the JSP vs Dos Santos theorical fight is not simply a fight for JSP in the heavyweight division.

    4) THANKS FOR YOUR GREAT WORK

    We all love rankings, and there will never be a perfect system… so there will always be some guy like me telling you “Where’s my favourite? This list sucks”. 🙂

  403. jason August 24, 2011 at 12:06 pm Reply

    This is all computerized, like the current rankings, but obviously the calculation is much different as we’re trying to summarize entire careers. In addition, we’re trying to balance performances with longevity – an unexpectedly difficult task given the varying frequencies of fights, opponents, etc.

    Sakuraba may have been #1 P4P (though I’m not sure which Gracie win you are referring to), but the calculations here are derived from estimated divisional rankings. Sakuraba is definitely a unique case, in that he was never really at the top of a division for more than a fight or two, but bounced around divisions and had good wins, albeit for a limited time.

    As for Liddell/Gomi, Liddells span at or near the top of the division lasted about 5 years. Gomi’s lasted nearly 9. Yes, 9. Gomi rose to the top of 155 quickly, because it WAS very weak. Yes, we do handle this also — this is the same reason why Royce Gracie is so low, because MMA as a whole was weak at that point. As you see, there are many variables here. Did Liddell have ‘bigger’ wins, yes, but his stay at the top was nowhere near as long. Arguing over 5 positions in the absolute ranking is silly when you think of how many fighters participated in the sport’s history.

    I do admit, Gomi seems a few positions high, but he’s stalled and may even drop, while he’ll almost surely get passed up by Hendo, and some others.

    Another issue is the ‘career end’ stages are being considered. I just don’t know how to best handle this. Should we be counting Liddell’s last few fights, even though he had a win over Wanderlei in between? It’s just very tough.

    I think you can argue that the modifications which should be made are:

    A – A fair way to exclude the extreme cases where fighters stick around way too long.
    B – Slightly enhance the strength of head-to-head.

    These are ideas I’ve been toying with before you started posting.

  404. Rudeboyben84 August 24, 2011 at 10:42 am Reply

    Was Saku not the p4p number 1 fighter when he beat Gracie or did I imagine that? I think thats why I regard him so highly. Maby I wildly over rate him because Im a really big fan but I could have sworn he was p4p number 1 and even a big favorite before he faced Wandy. I did a seminar with Wandy and he said going into the 1st fight Saku was regarded as the best fighter inthe world then….

    Saku aside When you do Liddells wins and losses to good guys there

    Couture (well only include him once as they are 2-1)
    Tito X2
    Wanderlei
    Belfort
    Randleman
    Overeem
    Babalu X2
    Bustamante
    Pele
    Mezger

    lost to
    Rampage X2
    Evans
    Shogun
    Rich
    Jardine

    So his Win/Loss list of decent figthers is twice as long as Gomi’s showing he has faced twice as many good fighters and has a much stronger win/loss percentage while doing so

    Not to single out Gomi and I appreciate the replies but just wanting to see the justification for a few weirdly placed guys….

    Again whatever forumla you have for the current fighters is superb but the all time ones seems a little off, do you see what I mean when comparing Liddell and Gomi? Have you made some sort of computerised programme that ranks them all for you based on cold hard stats or do you get much imput into it yourself? Cheers mate.

  405. jason August 24, 2011 at 10:04 am Reply

    It’s got a little to do with head-to-head. It’s got a lot to do with career success and being ranked highly for an extended period of time. Diaz was not a loss, it was a no contest. Penn, Florian, Hellboy, all top 10 lightweights all-time. Guida may end up in the Top 20.

    Sakuraba had a few good years and never held and defended a top spot in a division.

    I’m not saying these rankings are perfect, but if you’re suggesting Sakuraba should be higher ranked than Gomi… well, I’d have to strongly disagree.

  406. rudeboyben84 August 24, 2011 at 9:49 am Reply

    Isnt it about who you beat and loose to more than anything? To sum up Gomi’s career, there was a good bit of can crushing and against top opposition he went

    Guida : Loss
    Florian : Loss
    Penn : Loss
    Hellboy : Loss
    Diaz : Loss

    Ishida: Win
    Pulver : Win

    You could count Baron as a good win I guess but he would be lower class than the rest of the list and Aurelio he went 1-1 with (loosing more convincingly than he won)

    and he is rated over Liddell etc? I could probabally name 30 fighters with a better head to head record against similar quality of opponent… What is the actual system because his quality of oppnent was poor throughout his career and his head to head record is well terrible in fairness.

    Dont get me wrong im a massive Gomi fan, his fights are epic to watch but 8th best of all time over Hendo or Liddell… his rankings looks so wrong to me.

  407. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    This is all computerized, like the current rankings, but obviously the calculation is much different as we’re trying to summarize entire careers. In addition, we’re trying to balance performances with longevity – an unexpectedly difficult task given the varying frequencies of fights, opponents, etc.

    Sakuraba may have been #1 P4P (though I’m not sure which Gracie win you are referring to), but the calculations here are derived from estimated divisional rankings. Sakuraba is definitely a unique case, in that he was never really at the top of a division for more than a fight or two, but bounced around divisions and had good wins, albeit for a limited time.

    As for Liddell/Gomi, Liddells span at or near the top of the division lasted about 5 years. Gomi’s lasted nearly 9. Yes, 9. Gomi rose to the top of 155 quickly, because it WAS very weak. Yes, we do handle this also — this is the same reason why Royce Gracie is so low, because MMA as a whole was weak at that point. As you see, there are many variables here. Did Liddell have ‘bigger’ wins, yes, but his stay at the top was nowhere near as long. Arguing over 5 positions in the absolute ranking is silly when you think of how many fighters participated in the sport’s history.

    I do admit, Gomi seems a few positions high, but he’s stalled and may even drop, while he’ll almost surely get passed up by Hendo, and some others.

    Another issue is the ‘career end’ stages are being considered. I just don’t know how to best handle this. Should we be counting Liddell’s last few fights, even though he had a win over Wanderlei in between? It’s just very tough.

    I think you can argue that the modifications which should be made are:

    A – A fair way to exclude the extreme cases where fighters stick around way too long.
    B – Slightly enhance the strength of head-to-head.

    These are ideas I’ve been toying with before you started posting.

  408. jason August 24, 2011 at 7:42 am Reply

    Gomi was a top-ranked 155er for almost a decade.

  409. rudeboyben84 August 24, 2011 at 7:06 am Reply

    Just a thought but Maby the absolute rankings need slightly different Criteria, Gomi’s career has also gone down the sh1tter as well and he achieved a lot less than Saku ever did in terms of who he beat. He hasn’t many Great career wins and even if you overlook the Diaz loss has a poor head to head record with ranked fighters. Saku on the other hand has been in with much better opponents and has a better head to head record with greats.

    Saku in my head should at least be top 10, the Current rankings if say number 3 Mw moves to Lhw he might be ranked at 5th… this shows that fighting bigger guys is harder and should maby be shown somehow in the absolute rankings. I think maby its something to consider in an eara where weight classes werent as defined?

  410. Rudeboyben84 August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Was Saku not the p4p number 1 fighter when he beat Gracie or did I imagine that? I think thats why I regard him so highly. Maby I wildly over rate him because Im a really big fan but I could have sworn he was p4p number 1 and even a big favorite before he faced Wandy. I did a seminar with Wandy and he said going into the 1st fight Saku was regarded as the best fighter inthe world then….

    Saku aside When you do Liddells wins and losses to good guys there

    Couture (well only include him once as they are 2-1)
    Tito X2
    Wanderlei
    Belfort
    Randleman
    Overeem
    Babalu X2
    Bustamante
    Pele
    Mezger

    lost to
    Rampage X2
    Evans
    Shogun
    Rich
    Jardine

    So his Win/Loss list of decent figthers is twice as long as Gomi’s showing he has faced twice as many good fighters and has a much stronger win/loss percentage while doing so

    Not to single out Gomi and I appreciate the replies but just wanting to see the justification for a few weirdly placed guys….

    Again whatever forumla you have for the current fighters is superb but the all time ones seems a little off, do you see what I mean when comparing Liddell and Gomi? Have you made some sort of computerised programme that ranks them all for you based on cold hard stats or do you get much imput into it yourself? Cheers mate.

  411. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    It’s got a little to do with head-to-head. It’s got a lot to do with career success and being ranked highly for an extended period of time. Diaz was not a loss, it was a no contest. Penn, Florian, Hellboy, all top 10 lightweights all-time. Guida may end up in the Top 20.

    Sakuraba had a few good years and never held and defended a top spot in a division.

    I’m not saying these rankings are perfect, but if you’re suggesting Sakuraba should be higher ranked than Gomi… well, I’d have to strongly disagree.

  412. rudeboyben84 August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Isnt it about who you beat and loose to more than anything? To sum up Gomi’s career, there was a good bit of can crushing and against top opposition he went

    Guida : Loss
    Florian : Loss
    Penn : Loss
    Hellboy : Loss
    Diaz : Loss

    Ishida: Win
    Pulver : Win

    You could count Baron as a good win I guess but he would be lower class than the rest of the list and Aurelio he went 1-1 with (loosing more convincingly than he won)

    and he is rated over Liddell etc? I could probabally name 30 fighters with a better head to head record against similar quality of opponent… What is the actual system because his quality of oppnent was poor throughout his career and his head to head record is well terrible in fairness.

    Dont get me wrong im a massive Gomi fan, his fights are epic to watch but 8th best of all time over Hendo or Liddell… his rankings looks so wrong to me.

  413. Koqebwix August 22, 2011 at 6:37 pm Reply

    Oh my, and Dan Hardy is there…
    For what? Nice haircut ?
    I love the guy, but… this is All-time best fighters, no?

  414. Koqebwix August 22, 2011 at 6:28 pm Reply

    In these lists I see 7 fighters Sakuraba has beaten… but no Sakuraba 🙂

    Even Royce Gracie is in it !
    A guy who won only 2 fights after UFC 4 (against fighters who lost nearly all their fights)
    His only “great” wins are against Shamrock and Severn…

  415. Koqebwix August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Oh my, and Dan Hardy is there…
    For what? Nice haircut ?
    I love the guy, but… this is All-time best fighters, no?

  416. Koqebwix August 20, 2018 at 1:06 am Reply

    In these lists I see 7 fighters Sakuraba has beaten… but no Sakuraba 🙂

    Even Royce Gracie is in it !
    A guy who won only 2 fights after UFC 4 (against fighters who lost nearly all their fights)
    His only “great” wins are against Shamrock and Severn…

  417. jason August 22, 2011 at 11:07 am Reply

    There are some things affecting Sakuraba that are not normally seen:

    1 He bounced between divisions very frequently.
    2 Some of his biggest name wins came against those fighters before they hit their primes.
    3 MMA was weak when he was at his best.
    4 He should have retired years ago.
    —-

    #1 is being accounted for. #2 causes many to overrated him and you could argue that in this type of system, he is not getting proper credit. #3 affects his rating negatively, as does #4. These are CAREER-long rankings and I do not have any logic in place to not penalize a fighter if he hangs around (in this case -WAY-) past his prime. The penalty he receives as a result of #4 is small, but is there.

    In any case, he’s just outside the Top 25 at Light Heavy.

  418. Rudeboyben84 August 22, 2011 at 6:12 am Reply

    Sorry if its been asked before but where is Sakuraba? Before loosing to Igor surely he was p4p number 1 or close to it? Filho and Gomi over him…. I really like the current rankings I think your doing a great job but the all time ones confuse me.

  419. mike August 2, 2011 at 3:09 pm Reply

    where is #22 on the division dominance list?

  420. jason August 2, 2011 at 11:58 am Reply

    You saw an incomplete update. Sorry for the confusion.

    Probably have it out later today.

  421. thonolansghost August 2, 2011 at 11:40 am Reply

    I really do cringe at the thought of DeLucia, Mezger and Kondo being on the all-time heavyweight list. I’m not sure Schlitt, Rutten and Funaki belong there, either. I realize that it’s not going to happen, but I actually wish that you’d ignore Pancrase’s open-hand era altogether. At the very least you could weight it so these guys didn’t get so much credit for beating a bunch of mediorcre, blown-up welterweight and middleweights with silly rules.

  422. thonolansghost August 2, 2011 at 11:08 am Reply

    I know the routine- I fully expect a few small changes at most.

  423. jason August 1, 2011 at 2:06 pm Reply

    I know I’ve said this before, but the way these rankings calculate is more like a rolling average, whereas the current rankings show more immediate, harsh changes.

    In other words, I wouldn’t expect massive changes tomorrow.

  424. ThonolansGhost August 1, 2011 at 1:01 pm Reply

    I’ll be looking forward to the new rankings.

  425. jason August 1, 2011 at 8:50 am Reply

    New all-time rankings will be released this week — probably tomorrow.

  426. John N. August 1, 2011 at 8:40 am Reply

    “accomplishments in all divisions”
    Will (did) we see some movement upward for Henderson for his victory over Fedor?

  427. jason July 6, 2011 at 1:20 pm Reply

    Nothing has changed except for historical data refinement. I feel that with another win, Anderson will probably lock it up…

  428. ThonolansGhost July 6, 2011 at 1:03 pm Reply

    I see that Anderson has dropped backed to #2 in the all-time absolute rankings. I’m assuming that this is very temporary?

  429. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Nothing has changed except for historical data refinement. I feel that with another win, Anderson will probably lock it up…

  430. jason June 24, 2011 at 7:03 am Reply

    He didn’t necessarily peak .. his division lead peaked.

  431. Shut the Fitch up June 24, 2011 at 12:01 am Reply

    Just how the f did Anderson peak a month ago?

    He peaked around the beginning of 09′.

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  433. ThonolansGhost June 8, 2011 at 12:14 pm Reply

    Here’s another guess: Liddell will drop out of the top 20 within the next 12 to 18 months.

  434. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Here’s another guess: Liddell will drop out of the top 20 within the next 12 to 18 months.

  435. jason June 7, 2011 at 2:00 pm Reply

    I don’t make guesses on these lists anymore =), but Faber has a lot of room between himself and Aldo.

  436. ThonolansGhost June 7, 2011 at 1:54 pm Reply

    It’s nice to see Aldo moving up the featherweight list. It looks like he’ll catch Faber sometime next year (assuming he doesn’t move up in weight before then). He should reach top 25 on the absolute list next year as well.

  437. ThonolansGhost May 26, 2011 at 12:51 pm Reply

    I just realized that Anderson Silva has finally passed Fedor Emelianenko on the all-time absolute list. I’m guessing that GSP will take the #2 spot before the end of the year.

  438. jason May 20, 2011 at 1:13 pm Reply

    Not gonna happen anytime soon, wouldn’t make too much sense anyhow as we don’t do all-time women divisional lists.

  439. ThonolansGhost May 20, 2011 at 12:49 pm Reply

    Just add a women’s divisional dominance catagory.

  440. jason May 20, 2011 at 12:04 pm Reply

    I see LaRosa got into the Division Dominance… I think I’ll restrict it to Men’s.

  441. jason August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    Not gonna happen anytime soon, wouldn’t make too much sense anyhow as we don’t do all-time women divisional lists.

  442. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 3:21 am Reply

    Just add a women’s divisional dominance catagory.

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  444. jason May 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm Reply

    I think I’m going to run with this programming for the foreseeable future. I don’t like making so many changes, even though it does not affect the bulk of the rankings. Still, I think the recent expansion and code changes have further improved the rankings.

    Part of me thinks the latest head-to-head impact should be strengthened or tweaked slightly, but let’s see how this pans out over the next several months.

  445. ThonolansGhost May 6, 2011 at 1:09 pm Reply

    I’ll go out on a limb and predict that both Jorgensen and Faber will crack the top ten at bantamweight by the end of this year.

  446. ThonolansGhost May 6, 2011 at 12:58 pm Reply

    Some very interesting changes. Some are definitely for the better (Schilt, Kunioku). I’m not so sure about some of the other changes (Sonnen, Sherk, Pulver). As for Sakurai, I’m surprised but I don’t really disagree.

  447. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    I think I’m going to run with this programming for the foreseeable future. I don’t like making so many changes, even though it does not affect the bulk of the rankings. Still, I think the recent expansion and code changes have further improved the rankings.

    Part of me thinks the latest head-to-head impact should be strengthened or tweaked slightly, but let’s see how this pans out over the next several months.

  448. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    I’ll go out on a limb and predict that both Jorgensen and Faber will crack the top ten at bantamweight by the end of this year.

  449. jason May 5, 2011 at 3:01 pm Reply

    First iteration of head-to-head impact on rankings are in. Very good changes IMO.

  450. ThonolansGhost May 5, 2011 at 1:45 pm Reply

    You mentioned the USA’s dominance at welterweight… You’re correct, but what surprises me is that Brazil only has one guy in the top 20.

    Even stranger, every single fighter on the bantamweight top 20 all-time list if from either Japan or the USA.

  451. jason May 5, 2011 at 1:37 pm Reply

    Rest assured, I’m working on a resolve 🙂

  452. ThonolansGhost May 5, 2011 at 1:23 pm Reply

    “…Semmy Schilt is one of the most overrated fighters on the rankings (go figure)…”

    LOL… I’ve been telling you that for awhile now.

  453. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    First iteration of head-to-head impact on rankings are in. Very good changes IMO.

  454. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    You mentioned the USA’s dominance at welterweight… You’re correct, but what surprises me is that Brazil only has one guy in the top 20.

    Even stranger, every single fighter on the bantamweight top 20 all-time list if from either Japan or the USA.

  455. jason August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    Rest assured, I’m working on a resolve 🙂

  456. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    “…Semmy Schilt is one of the most overrated fighters on the rankings (go figure)…”

    LOL… I’ve been telling you that for awhile now.

  457. jason May 4, 2011 at 1:23 pm Reply

    I thought you would enjoy it.

    I’m sure it will allow more issues to reveal themselves, but I figured we were ready for some expansion.

    The American dominance at Welterweight is pretty amazing… I just noticed that.

    Furthermore, eventually, I plan on incorporating a direct impact on the rankings based on head-to-head match ups with other ranked fighters. I feel this is an important cog that is sometimes overlooked by the equation, especially for prolific fighters of the early MMA scene. It will also help determine who is overrated and who is underrated IMO.

    The first iteration shows Semmy Schilt is one of the most overrated fighters on the rankings (go figure)…

  458. ThonolansGhost May 4, 2011 at 12:04 pm Reply

    I love the expansion. Very interesting stuff.

  459. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    I love the expansion. Very interesting stuff.

  460. ThonolansGhost May 3, 2011 at 12:43 pm Reply

    A couple of notes: I was a bit surprised to see that Tito Ortiz had fallen completely out of the top 25. On the other hand, it was nice to see Fitch, Torres and Shields moving up the list.

  461. jason May 3, 2011 at 12:33 pm Reply

    Hopefully the old Pancrase oddities are put to bed sooner, rather than later.

    I think this is one of the strongest sets we’ve put out.

  462. ThonolansGhost May 3, 2011 at 11:48 am Reply

    I know it must seem as if I do nothing but complain, but it’s only because I’m very fond of this site and would like to see it reach it’s full potential. Anyways, keep up the good work.

  463. jason May 3, 2011 at 9:05 am Reply

    11 Urijah Faber (+1)
    12 Chuck Liddell (-1)
    13 Nate Marquardt
    14 Quinton Jackson
    15 Shinya Aoki (+5)
    16 Josh Barnett (-1)
    17 Lyoto Machida (+2)
    18 Mauricio Rua (-1)
    19 Rich Franklin (+3)
    20 Paulo Filho (-4)
    21 Jon Fitch (NR)
    22 Miguel Torres (NR)
    23 Jake Shields (NR)
    24 Hayato Sakurai
    25 Sean Sherk (-4)

  464. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Hopefully the old Pancrase oddities are put to bed sooner, rather than later.

    I think this is one of the strongest sets we’ve put out.

  465. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    11 Urijah Faber (+1)
    12 Chuck Liddell (-1)
    13 Nate Marquardt
    14 Quinton Jackson
    15 Shinya Aoki (+5)
    16 Josh Barnett (-1)
    17 Lyoto Machida (+2)
    18 Mauricio Rua (-1)
    19 Rich Franklin (+3)
    20 Paulo Filho (-4)
    21 Jon Fitch (NR)
    22 Miguel Torres (NR)
    23 Jake Shields (NR)
    24 Hayato Sakurai
    25 Sean Sherk (-4)

  466. jason May 2, 2011 at 3:54 pm Reply

    I think I know something that will assist the issue, but will need time to test. Basically, my adjustment for the early Pancrase stuff is too strong and does not consider a few early aspects of MMA and the challenges that Pancrase brought upon it.

  467. jason May 2, 2011 at 2:58 pm Reply

    Nevermind, the bug was pretty simple to resolve. It did affect Kunioku considerably, but not enough to move his rank down.

    I’ll keep looking. I have a feeling these non-heavyweights are being over-rewarded for the old Pancrase bouts.

  468. jason May 2, 2011 at 2:37 pm Reply

    I believe I did find a bug though that would improperly reward non-heavyweights in the old Pancrase days… Ahh. it will be a beast to fix though. Stay tuned.

  469. ThonolansGhost May 2, 2011 at 1:46 pm Reply

    I do appreciate the quick response, I really do. Still, their has to be a better way of integrating the early pancrase results into your ranking system. All of the really suspect rankings are due to those Pancrase fights (Schilt, Marquardt and now Kunioku).

  470. jason May 2, 2011 at 1:29 pm Reply

    Kiuma Kunioku burst onto the scene as the #4 Welterweight of All-Time after reclassification of some older Pancrase bouts. As (conceivably) a Welterweight, Kunioku beat much larger, notable fighters such as Guy Mezger, Frank Shamrock, Yuki Kondo, and Masakatsu Funaki.

    Many of his early Pancrase bouts (as well as Marquardt’s) that were held within set divisional limits straddled the line between our Middleweight and Welterweight ranges. Just recently, I found more info that suggested they were technically Welterweight bouts (even though they were for the Middleweight KoP titles).

    This seems to have placed the Pancrase credit for Kunioku to Welterweight, and I believe before he received the credit for Heavyweight (because a “real” division could not be ascertained).

    To be perfectly honest, there’s no good way to handle the old Pancrase bouts for the non-Heavyweights.

    If you ask me, Welterweight is a crap shoot below #3 anyway.

  471. ThonolansGhost May 2, 2011 at 1:09 pm Reply

    Kiuma Kunioku #4 all-time at welterweight? Please tell that it’s just a glitch.

  472. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    I do appreciate the quick response, I really do. Still, their has to be a better way of integrating the early pancrase results into your ranking system. All of the really suspect rankings are due to those Pancrase fights (Schilt, Marquardt and now Kunioku).

  473. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Kiuma Kunioku #4 all-time at welterweight? Please tell that it’s just a glitch.

  474. ThonolansGhost April 13, 2011 at 10:00 am Reply

    Here’s another sugestion/request: assuming that you keep past data, maybe you could add an arrow (pointing up or down) next to each fighter’s name telling us how many spots these guys have moved within the last 365 days. It’s just a thought.

  475. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Here’s another sugestion/request: assuming that you keep past data, maybe you could add an arrow (pointing up or down) next to each fighter’s name telling us how many spots these guys have moved within the last 365 days. It’s just a thought.

  476. ThonolansGhost April 4, 2011 at 12:10 pm Reply

    JCS, is there any chance that you could update the the all-time top 25 again? It’s always greatly appreciated.

  477. jason March 24, 2011 at 6:54 am Reply

    The same reason that BJ Penn is ahead of Urijah Faber.

  478. Ty March 24, 2011 at 12:55 am Reply

    How can someone who’s 7th in one division and 5th in another division be ahead of someone who’s 1st in his division?

  479. Ty August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    How can someone who’s 7th in one division and 5th in another division be ahead of someone who’s 1st in his division?

  480. jason March 16, 2011 at 2:56 pm Reply

    Those guys look weak historically, but were obviously much better back then, ability-wise and relative to the competition — Particularly Kiuma Kunioku.

  481. ThonolansGhost March 16, 2011 at 2:24 pm Reply

    There are several guys who get too much credit on this site for their Pancrase accomplishments- Marquardt is the most blatant example.

    He wasn’t even that impressive in Pancrase(losses against Genki Sudo, Kiuma Kunioku, Izuru Takeuchi, Keiichiro Yamamiya, and Ricardo Almeida. Wins against Daiju Takase, Kiuma Kunioku, Shonie Carter, Hikaru Sato, Masaya Kojima, Yuji Hoshino, Kazuo Misaki, Seiki Ryo, Kiuma Kunioku, Izuru Takeuchi, Yuji Hisamatsu, Izuru Takeuchi. Draws against Kiuma Kunioku and Eiji Ishikawa. That’s a 12-5-2 record against very lackluster opposition. He does have a few big wins in the UFC.

  482. jason March 16, 2011 at 1:27 pm Reply

    Nate is currently #13. If Bas and Frank can get all that credit for Pancrase, why can’t Nate?

    Essentially, Nate has been Top 10 in his division since the end of 2000. There may have been some times where he has been between 11-15, but looking back, his average rank in this time period would probably be #6. He’s also had no spells of inactivity, and less than a handful of opponents outside of the Top 50. Middleweight has been a strong division for a while now…

    How many fighters can say the same thing?

    I think you’ll find that Marquardt will drop soon, as more fighters will be able to say the same thing.. like a Fitch.. but Marquardt is still hanging tough and earning points.

  483. ThonolansGhost March 16, 2011 at 1:08 pm Reply

    Also, the top five guys are all known for their success in just one division. I don’t think “multi-divisional accomplishments” are given extra credit at all.

  484. ThonolansGhost March 16, 2011 at 1:05 pm Reply

    Yeah, I’ve got no problem with Henderson in the top ten. Marquardt way up there at #12 is the one that I’ll never agree with.

  485. jason March 14, 2011 at 9:19 am Reply

    I think Henderson is an extremely underrated fighter. I have absolutely no issue with his placement.

  486. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    I think Henderson is an extremely underrated fighter. I have absolutely no issue with his placement.

  487. Ty March 14, 2011 at 2:44 am Reply

    It seems like the abolute rankings may over-reward multi-divisional accomplishments. Seems very strange to me that Chuck Liddell could be behind Dan Henderson.

  488. CP2Dope February 24, 2011 at 9:12 pm Reply

    chuck should be in the top 10 absolute instead of hendo

  489. CP2Dope August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    chuck should be in the top 10 absolute instead of hendo

  490. Kenton February 19, 2011 at 6:46 pm Reply

    Theres no way fedor should be #1 on this list I dont care how you slice it for the last 4 or 5 years hes been doggin it only taking fights that he though he could win and losing two of em anyways against guys he should of beat he should be 3rd all time right now Silva should be fist with GSP a very close second Whoever wins the GSP SILVA fight GOD willing it happens is the greatest p4p champion in mixed martial history HANDS DOWN

  491. Kenton August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Theres no way fedor should be #1 on this list I dont care how you slice it for the last 4 or 5 years hes been doggin it only taking fights that he though he could win and losing two of em anyways against guys he should of beat he should be 3rd all time right now Silva should be fist with GSP a very close second Whoever wins the GSP SILVA fight GOD willing it happens is the greatest p4p champion in mixed martial history HANDS DOWN

  492. expose13 February 17, 2011 at 11:19 pm Reply

    It’s about time I saw some realistic rankings p4p wise. Good work guys, finally another MMA site that keeps it real.

  493. jason February 15, 2011 at 5:57 pm Reply

    Fighters can move down as a result of losses, data changes, certain metrics, etc. However, its going to mostly be an upward trend. We just released a metric update, which saw some changes. The algorithm also has a data segmentation component, as well as falling back on the database itself for some parameters…. not to mention code changes.

  494. Mark February 15, 2011 at 5:52 pm Reply

    Can a fighter move down the Absolute list by losing matches, or can he only be overtaken? One could interpret “sum of the fighters’ accomplishments” to mean that this particular list only takes into account positive achievements.

  495. cill February 15, 2011 at 12:57 pm Reply

    How far off, in terms of points, are the number 2 all time fighters on the absolute and heavyweight lists from overtaking Fedor?

  496. Mark August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Can a fighter move down the Absolute list by losing matches, or can he only be overtaken? One could interpret “sum of the fighters’ accomplishments” to mean that this particular list only takes into account positive achievements.

  497. cill August 19, 2018 at 11:52 pm Reply

    How far off, in terms of points, are the number 2 all time fighters on the absolute and heavyweight lists from overtaking Fedor?

  498. ThonolansGhost February 8, 2011 at 2:18 pm Reply

    It looks like my prediction for the lightweight division is already in trouble, now that Florian is dropping down in weight.

  499. jason February 8, 2011 at 11:03 am Reply

    As for the absolute ranking, there is definitely room for improvement there as far as balancing divisional strength and accomplishments throughout the years.. again, the problem is that we only have actual ranking data for 3 years (and MMA history goes back much further) — then you have the issue that finding the divisional data for anything non-Heavyweight, older than 5 years is nearly impossible to find, aside from major organizations..

  500. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    It looks like my prediction for the lightweight division is already in trouble, now that Florian is dropping down in weight.

  501. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    As for the absolute ranking, there is definitely room for improvement there as far as balancing divisional strength and accomplishments throughout the years.. again, the problem is that we only have actual ranking data for 3 years (and MMA history goes back much further) — then you have the issue that finding the divisional data for anything non-Heavyweight, older than 5 years is nearly impossible to find, aside from major organizations..

  502. ThonolansGhost February 7, 2011 at 2:14 pm Reply

    That’s about what I expected. Thanks for the info.

  503. jason February 7, 2011 at 2:07 pm Reply

    Hard to say. If Fedor totally sucks from here on out, and GSP/Anderson keep doing what they’re doing.. I’d say 18-24 months for Anderson, 3 years for GSP. Total guess though.

    A guy who has a potential to start moving rapidly is Penn. If he can knock off Fitch and another decent WW fighter, he probably gets into Top 10 WW right then.

  504. ThonolansGhost February 7, 2011 at 1:20 pm Reply

    I’m curious… Assuming Fedor doesn’t win the upcoming Strikeforce tournament and Silva and/or GSP can continue to string some wins together, how long before they displace Fedor as #1?

  505. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    That’s about what I expected. Thanks for the info.

  506. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Hard to say. If Fedor totally sucks from here on out, and GSP/Anderson keep doing what they’re doing.. I’d say 18-24 months for Anderson, 3 years for GSP. Total guess though.

    A guy who has a potential to start moving rapidly is Penn. If he can knock off Fitch and another decent WW fighter, he probably gets into Top 10 WW right then.

  507. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    I’m curious… Assuming Fedor doesn’t win the upcoming Strikeforce tournament and Silva and/or GSP can continue to string some wins together, how long before they displace Fedor as #1?

  508. ThonolansGhost February 5, 2011 at 4:40 pm Reply

    I understand that Marquardt high ranking on the all-time lists is largely based on his pacrase accomplishments. Personally, I think Marquardt (as well as Rutten and Schilt) are given way to much credit for their pancrase fights.

    In Marquardt’s case, he went 14-5-2 in Pancrase, with losses against Sudo, Kunioku, Takeuchi, Yamamiya and Almeida. His biggest Pancrase wins were over Shoney Carter, Kunioku and Misaki. He does have some good wins in the UFC, but overall, I don’t consider him to be among the top 50 most acclomplished MMA fighters of all-time.

  509. Mark February 5, 2011 at 2:46 pm Reply

    Marquardt accomplished quite a bit in Pancrase before signing with the UFC. He does seem to be the permanent #2 contender now, though.

  510. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    I understand that Marquardt high ranking on the all-time lists is largely based on his pacrase accomplishments. Personally, I think Marquardt (as well as Rutten and Schilt) are given way to much credit for their pancrase fights.

    In Marquardt’s case, he went 14-5-2 in Pancrase, with losses against Sudo, Kunioku, Takeuchi, Yamamiya and Almeida. His biggest Pancrase wins were over Shoney Carter, Kunioku and Misaki. He does have some good wins in the UFC, but overall, I don’t consider him to be among the top 50 most acclomplished MMA fighters of all-time.

  511. Mark August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Marquardt accomplished quite a bit in Pancrase before signing with the UFC. He does seem to be the permanent #2 contender now, though.

  512. ThonolansGhost February 4, 2011 at 3:48 pm Reply

    Nate Marquardt at #13 is the one that shocks me the most.

  513. jason February 4, 2011 at 9:10 am Reply

    #25 sounds like a decent spot then.

    Ribeiro rode near the top of the division for quite a while.. and to do so, he had to get some good wins. I will however, look at the code.. as I had planned an optimization anyhow..

  514. Mark February 4, 2011 at 9:00 am Reply

    I’m fascinated by the idea that Vitor Ribeiro is the 25th most accomplished fighter in modern MMA history. I don’t mean that in a negative way. Most people, if asked to name their own top 25, would almost certainly not name Vitor Ribeiro. The rest of the top 25 is much less surprising to me.

  515. Mark August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    I’m fascinated by the idea that Vitor Ribeiro is the 25th most accomplished fighter in modern MMA history. I don’t mean that in a negative way. Most people, if asked to name their own top 25, would almost certainly not name Vitor Ribeiro. The rest of the top 25 is much less surprising to me.

  516. jason February 2, 2011 at 4:31 pm Reply

    yes

  517. Mark February 2, 2011 at 12:32 pm Reply

    Thanks! That’s from the Absolute list, correct?

  518. jason February 2, 2011 at 12:08 pm Reply

    Change from last time included

    11 Chuck Liddell (-1)
    12 Urijah Faber
    13 Nate Marquardt
    14 Quinton Jackson (+2)
    15 Josh Barnett (-1)
    16 Paulo Filho (+1)
    17 Mauricio Rua (+1)
    18 Tito Ortiz (-3)
    19 Lyoto Machida (+1)
    20 Shinya Aoki (+2)
    21 Sean Sherk (-2)
    22 Rich Franklin (+1)
    23 Mirko Filipovic (-2)
    24 Hayato Sakurai (+1)
    25 Vitor Ribeiro (-1)

  519. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    yes

  520. Mark February 2, 2011 at 11:24 am Reply

    I would really really like to see a top 20 for the all-time rankings. The number of fighters involved is so much greater than with the “Current” rankings. A top 10 doesn’t seem to tell the full story.

  521. Mark August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Thanks! That’s from the Absolute list, correct?

  522. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    Change from last time included

    11 Chuck Liddell (-1)
    12 Urijah Faber
    13 Nate Marquardt
    14 Quinton Jackson (+2)
    15 Josh Barnett (-1)
    16 Paulo Filho (+1)
    17 Mauricio Rua (+1)
    18 Tito Ortiz (-3)
    19 Lyoto Machida (+1)
    20 Shinya Aoki (+2)
    21 Sean Sherk (-2)
    22 Rich Franklin (+1)
    23 Mirko Filipovic (-2)
    24 Hayato Sakurai (+1)
    25 Vitor Ribeiro (-1)

  523. jason January 24, 2011 at 4:40 pm Reply

    Edgar/Florian are a little ahead of Maynard, although obviously Florian is stalling a bit. I don’t think Maynard makes it in by the end of this year. Who knows? We have your prediction on record.

  524. ThonolansGhost January 24, 2011 at 4:30 pm Reply

    I predict that Florian, Edgar and Maynard will each be in the all-time lightweight top ten by the end of the year.

  525. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:35 pm Reply

    I predict that Florian, Edgar and Maynard will each be in the all-time lightweight top ten by the end of the year.

  526. jason January 5, 2011 at 11:55 am Reply

    Yeah.. the list is really built for fighters once they have ended their careers. There are some longevity/volume checks that will kick in during an active fighter’s career, causing a bit of acceleration.

  527. jason August 20, 2018 at 12:58 am Reply

    Yeah.. the list is really built for fighters once they have ended their careers. There are some longevity/volume checks that will kick in during an active fighter’s career, causing a bit of acceleration.

  528. thonolansghost January 2, 2011 at 1:07 pm Reply

    Wow… Dominick Cruz wasn’t even in the top ten on the bantamweight all-time list a few months ago and now he’s #3.

    Not that I’m complaining.

  529. jason December 14, 2010 at 3:42 pm Reply

    Bug fixed. Rampage up to #14, Ortiz down to #17. Rest of list is unchanged.

  530. jason December 14, 2010 at 2:16 pm Reply

    There’s actually a bug I just found in the absolute calculation… Have to fix that.

  531. ThonolansGhost December 14, 2010 at 11:51 am Reply

    I’m really surprised that Fitch isn’t in the top 25 on the absolute list.

  532. ThonolansGhost December 14, 2010 at 11:49 am Reply

    Much appreciated, thank you.

  533. jason December 13, 2010 at 1:59 pm Reply

    11 Henderson
    12 Faber
    13 Marquardt
    14 Barnett
    15 Ortiz
    16 Rampage
    17 Filho
    18 Shogun
    19 Sherk
    20 Machida
    21 CroCop
    22 Aoki
    23 Franklin
    24 Ribeiro
    25 Sakurai

  534. ThonolansGhost December 3, 2010 at 4:48 pm Reply

    Any chance that you could give us the #11 thru #20 fighters for the updated career absolute list? I know it’s a lot to ask…

  535. jason December 3, 2010 at 4:02 pm Reply

    She’s probably in for good at this point.

  536. ThonolansGhost December 3, 2010 at 3:52 pm Reply

    Well, Santos is back up to #8…I wonder if she’ll still be in the top ten when the next revision is done. LOL

  537. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Any chance that you could give us the #11 thru #20 fighters for the updated career absolute list? I know it’s a lot to ask…

  538. jason August 20, 2018 at 3:21 am Reply

    She’s probably in for good at this point.

  539. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 3:21 am Reply

    Well, Santos is back up to #8…I wonder if she’ll still be in the top ten when the next revision is done. LOL

  540. WMaster November 19, 2010 at 1:18 am Reply

    Nate Marquardt greatest A. Silva , Ch. Sonnen , Y. Okami and all fighters in middleweight division .

  541. jason November 2, 2010 at 2:48 pm Reply

    Fluctuations.. changes in data. Bound to happen as frequently as we update past records. Positions are real tight, so I’m guessing she’ll stay in the list after another few months, barring a total decline.

  542. ThonolansGhost November 2, 2010 at 2:32 pm Reply

    I’m curious… why was Chris Santos removed from the women’s open all-time list?

  543. ThonolansGhost November 2, 2010 at 2:20 pm Reply

    I’m guessing that Gilbert Melendez, Frankie Edgar and possibly Gray Maynard could all reach the top ten within the next year.

  544. jason November 2, 2010 at 11:49 am Reply

    Sometimes the rankings don’t make sense if a guy is just getting into his prime. By nature, its part longevity-based, part accomplishment-based. In other words, Edgar could be late to the party since he just hit the big time.

    I’m doing an update this week. Not sure he gets on, but if he stays near the top it shouldn’t be too long until he does.

  545. Tomatogatame November 2, 2010 at 10:59 am Reply

    How is Florian in the LW top 10, but not Edgar? You’d think the 2 wins over BJ would be way bigger points-wise than anything Kenny has done.

  546. jason August 20, 2018 at 8:16 am Reply

    Fluctuations.. changes in data. Bound to happen as frequently as we update past records. Positions are real tight, so I’m guessing she’ll stay in the list after another few months, barring a total decline.

  547. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    I’m curious… why was Chris Santos removed from the women’s open all-time list?

  548. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    I’m guessing that Gilbert Melendez, Frankie Edgar and possibly Gray Maynard could all reach the top ten within the next year.

  549. Tomatogatame August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    How is Florian in the LW top 10, but not Edgar? You’d think the 2 wins over BJ would be way bigger points-wise than anything Kenny has done.

  550. jason October 25, 2010 at 7:24 am Reply

    See the word, “Peak”? The reason you stated is why he’s #1 Absolute and #1 Heavyweight.

  551. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    See the word, “Peak”? The reason you stated is why he’s #1 Absolute and #1 Heavyweight.

  552. WAT? October 25, 2010 at 1:27 am Reply

    Fedor being #1 in his division for 7 years
    how is not that the best division dominance?

  553. ThonolansGhost October 6, 2010 at 2:01 pm Reply

    I just noticed that four of the five japanese fighters on the bantamweight list are either retired or should be. Meanwhile, the five americans on the list are still doing fairly well. As there are other american fighters also doing very well (mostly in the WEC), it seems that the americans are poised to dominate the bantamweight list over the next couple of years.

  554. ThonolansGhost October 6, 2010 at 1:58 pm Reply

    I just noticed that four of the five japanese fighters on the bantamweight list are either retired or should be. Meanwhile, the five americans on the list are still doing fairly well. As there are other american fighters also doing very well (mostly in the WEC),

  555. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    I just noticed that four of the five japanese fighters on the bantamweight list are either retired or should be. Meanwhile, the five americans on the list are still doing fairly well. As there are other american fighters also doing very well (mostly in the WEC),

  556. ThonolansGhost October 1, 2010 at 1:11 pm Reply

    Nice to see Cristiane Santos on the women’s list- she deserves it.

  557. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 1:06 am Reply

    Nice to see Cristiane Santos on the women’s list- she deserves it.

  558. jason September 22, 2010 at 6:37 pm Reply

    Tanner was 5-4 at Middleweight and had no major accomplishments at Light Heavyweight.

  559. John September 22, 2010 at 5:51 pm Reply

    Or even light heavyweight? He deserves to be ranked somewhere.

  560. John September 22, 2010 at 5:50 pm Reply

    Where’s Evan Tanner at middleweight?

  561. John August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Or even light heavyweight? He deserves to be ranked somewhere.

  562. John August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Where’s Evan Tanner at middleweight?

  563. ThonolansGhost September 16, 2010 at 2:51 pm Reply

    It’s nice to see Florian on the 155lb. list- he’s had a lot of good wins.

  564. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    It’s nice to see Florian on the 155lb. list- he’s had a lot of good wins.

  565. jason September 5, 2010 at 8:51 am Reply

    Remember that Sonnen spent 2/3rds of his career at 205. He’ll likely need another two good years to have a chance at cracking the top 10.

  566. rob September 5, 2010 at 8:26 am Reply

    chael sonnen definatley deserves to be on middleweight after this year.

  567. rob August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    chael sonnen definatley deserves to be on middleweight after this year.

  568. jason September 4, 2010 at 7:19 pm Reply

    Lindland/Henderson are neck and neck. We discovered we had some early Hendo matches at the wrong division. He will move ahead of Lindland on next update, probably permanently.

    Schilt is #8 at HW because he was at (or near) the top during his early days in Pancrase. The heavyweight/openweight quality there was a lot higher than what the average American fan thinks/realizes.

    Evan Tanner had a grand total (that we know of) of 9 Middleweight fights. He was 5-4.

  569. Jacko September 4, 2010 at 1:05 pm Reply

    Also , how the hell is Almeida on the MW list when Evan Tanner isn’t? , Ridiculous

  570. Jacko September 4, 2010 at 1:01 pm Reply

    Why is Lindland ahead of Henderson , and how the hell is Schilt number 8 at HW?

  571. jason September 2, 2010 at 4:09 pm Reply

    These rankings are a mixture time-based and raw accomplishment-based due to them being a career ranking.

    You don’t want to award a “flash in the pan” too heavily, nor do you want to award a longtime fringe contender a top 10 spot.

    Edgar’s career is pretty young and as such, he’s behind guys like Florian and Melendez, but obviously he’s ascending at a faster rate than those guys.

    Pulver on the other hand has some important wins early in the “pioneer” 155 days. He also held alofty ranking for extended periods. A lot of the wins don’t look good on name value, but even wins like Dennis Hallman and Phil Johns (at the time) were very good wins.

  572. ThonolansGhost September 2, 2010 at 3:19 pm Reply

    I was actually surprised to see that Pulver wasn’t higher than tenth. Still, his career is pretty much over- Florian and Edgar will probably pass him by this time next year.

  573. Marco September 2, 2010 at 1:56 pm Reply

    Jens Pulver has had a lot of his wins at 145. His only real major 155 wins were BJ Penn, Uno, and Joe Stevenson.

    Frankie Edgar beat Penn twice, has only one less win at LW than Pulver, has only one loss at LW to Pulvers 8, and has had a much tougher set of opponents. How has he not made it past Pulver on the all-time list?

  574. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    I was actually surprised to see that Pulver wasn’t higher than tenth. Still, his career is pretty much over- Florian and Edgar will probably pass him by this time next year.

  575. Marco August 20, 2018 at 1:06 am Reply

    Jens Pulver has had a lot of his wins at 145. His only real major 155 wins were BJ Penn, Uno, and Joe Stevenson.

    Frankie Edgar beat Penn twice, has only one less win at LW than Pulver, has only one loss at LW to Pulvers 8, and has had a much tougher set of opponents. How has he not made it past Pulver on the all-time list?

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  577. jason September 1, 2010 at 3:33 pm Reply

    And just for fun… based on trends, if these fighters keep it up for a few more years (some less), they’ve got a shot at being ranked:

    Heavyweight: Brock Lesnar
    Light Heavyweight: Rashad Evans, Forrest Griffin
    Middleweight: Jorge Santiago
    Welterweight: Jake Shields, Nick Diaz
    Lightweight: Kenny Florian, Gilbert Melendez, Frankie Edgar
    Featherweight: Marlon Sandro
    Bantamweight: Dominick Cruz (very soon)
    Womens: Cristiane Santos

  578. ThonolansGhost September 1, 2010 at 2:57 pm Reply

    Thank You.

  579. jason September 1, 2010 at 2:18 pm Reply

    12. Urijah Faber
    13. Tito Ortiz
    14. Nate Marquardt
    15. Josh Barnett
    16. Quinton Jackson
    17. Paulo Filho
    18. Mirko Filipovic
    19. Rich Franklin
    20. Sean Sherk

  580. ThonolansGhost September 1, 2010 at 12:29 pm Reply

    Thanks for the extra info (even if I was hoping for a bit more than that).

  581. jason August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    And just for fun… based on trends, if these fighters keep it up for a few more years (some less), they’ve got a shot at being ranked:

    Heavyweight: Brock Lesnar
    Light Heavyweight: Rashad Evans, Forrest Griffin
    Middleweight: Jorge Santiago
    Welterweight: Jake Shields, Nick Diaz
    Lightweight: Kenny Florian, Gilbert Melendez, Frankie Edgar
    Featherweight: Marlon Sandro
    Bantamweight: Dominick Cruz (very soon)
    Womens: Cristiane Santos

  582. Fight Matrix – Mixed Martial Arts Rankings » Blog Archive » All-Time Rankings Updated: 09/01/2010 September 1, 2010 at 11:04 am Reply

    […] All-Time MMA Rankings […]

  583. jason September 1, 2010 at 10:59 am Reply

    I can tell you that Dan Henderson is #11 =)

  584. jason August 20, 2018 at 1:06 am Reply

    12. Urijah Faber
    13. Tito Ortiz
    14. Nate Marquardt
    15. Josh Barnett
    16. Quinton Jackson
    17. Paulo Filho
    18. Mirko Filipovic
    19. Rich Franklin
    20. Sean Sherk

  585. ThonolansGhost August 20, 2018 at 1:06 am Reply

    Thanks for the extra info (even if I was hoping for a bit more than that).

  586. ThonolansGhost August 28, 2010 at 1:08 pm Reply

    Could you at least list #11 thru 20 on the career absolute list? It would be greatly appreciated. You could list it right here.

  587. ThonolansGhost August 19, 2018 at 7:29 pm Reply

    Could you at least list #11 thru 20 on the career absolute list? It would be greatly appreciated. You could list it right here.

  588. jason July 22, 2010 at 8:01 am Reply

    Hey now.. its a prestigious thing to get into the Top 10 :).

    Seriously, when you leave the Top 10, in most divisions, guys are very close together. Add fluctuations in, and you’ve got people moving up and down constantly. Really, these rankings will only solidify after guys retire and if we ever finalize data.

    In other words, I’d like to keep it at 10 for now.

  589. ThonolansGhost July 21, 2010 at 4:55 pm Reply

    These lists are a great idea, but I do wish that you’d consider expanding them to the 25 or even 50 fighters.

  590. Fight Matrix – Mixed Martial Arts Rankings » Blog Archive » MMA All-Time Rankings Updated: 7/19/2010 July 19, 2010 at 3:28 pm Reply

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  591. jason July 1, 2010 at 2:00 pm Reply

    Igor is #15 Heavyweight currently. Sakuraba spent too much time shifting around weight classes to be in any Top 25. Frank is #9 at Light Heavy as you’ll notice above. Severn and Royce are bottom of Top 20, we rate on accomplishment, not pioneer status or name value. Rickson is somewhere around #50 Heavyweight/Open

  592. delkifran July 1, 2010 at 11:19 am Reply

    where are royce and rickson gracie, sakuraba, franck shamrock, dan severn and igor??????

  593. jason June 29, 2010 at 7:59 am Reply

    Igor is #13 at last check.

  594. akshay June 29, 2010 at 2:27 am Reply

    Why isn’t Igor on here? Yes at the end of his career he had losses but he went on a like a 32 unbeaten streak

  595. All-Time, Career MMA Rankings – Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums June 22, 2010 at 1:19 pm Reply

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  596. Fight Matrix – Mixed Martial Arts Rankings » Blog Archive » Peak Division Dominance added to All-Time Rankings June 10, 2010 at 3:49 pm Reply

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  597. jason June 10, 2010 at 10:14 am Reply

    Franca’s 3 of his last 5 were at Lightweight. He was a top Featherweight for years, winning/defending the Shooto 143 belt many times. At this point, he’s past his prime.

    These rankings are more concerned about what the fighter did, then about what they didn’t do. His last two losses are also on the Top 10 Featherweight All-Time list.

  598. gracie June 10, 2010 at 9:59 am Reply

    It’s questionable that someone like Alexandre Franca Nogueira could be on a list at number 2 having dropped his last two fights. Can anyone tell us what factors are considered when putting these lists together. It seems to me that using only empirical data to populate the lists makes for questionable rankings

  599. jason June 10, 2010 at 8:00 am Reply

    Peak division dominance is coming soon. Most of the names you’d expect, along with a couple from the early days.

  600. jason August 20, 2018 at 8:14 am Reply

    Peak division dominance is coming soon. Most of the names you’d expect, along with a couple from the early days.

  601. BuffaloBigBoi June 8, 2010 at 11:21 am Reply

    Great idea! it would be cool if you gave a more detailed explanation as to how these rankings are calculated. You should also consider making a peak dominance ranking if that is possible

  602. Fight Matrix – Mixed Martial Arts Rankings » Blog Archive » Debuting the All-Time Rankings June 6, 2010 at 8:07 pm Reply

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