Joe Rogan is well-known for his objection to stand-ups. Presumably, he is a supporter of “real” fighting where there are no stand-ups, and sees it as the fighter’s job to stand up rather than getting stood up by the referee, thus being “saved” from a bad position. He remarked on the matter a little more than usual this past Saturday during the Camozzi/Santos fight.

I thought I would address some of his remarks:

In the second round, when Santos was in side control, Rogan said that once he’s got him in side control he’s got to do something about it, and that he can’t just hold the guy there. I wanted to ask him “why not?” He is winning the fight by “holding the guy there” so why does he “need” to do something? That’s exactly the problem, in my opinion, with the current situation: that you can just hold the guy there and still win the fight.

In the third round when Santos was holding down Camozzi and Camozzi looked at the referee, Rogan said there shouldn’t be stand-ups: when a guy holds you down, he is still beating you. Stand-ups are not realistic because there is no referee in a street fight, when your life depends on it, and so they shouldn’t be used in order to find out which marital art is the best.

First of all, there are no judges in a street fight either. No fighter in a street fight would just take the other guy down and hold him there, because there are no judges to decide who won the fight, and anyway neither fighter cares who “won” the street fight. They both just want to hurt each other – not “win”.

Second, there is no danger to your “life” anyway when a guy just takes you down and holds you, and the absence of a referee doesn’t change that fact.

Finally, this isn’t a street fight. This is a show, and the purpose of all of this is entertainment. If everybody would just hold their opponents down in every fight, nobody would watch their fights. Even if it is more realistic (which it isn’t, as I explained), and even if this proves that wrestling is the best martial art (which it doesn’t, since beating a guy in a real fight means hurting him too, not just holding him).

I don’t like stand-ups, either. I don’t like when anyone interferes with the fight. But the current situation is that the judging system promotes this style of fighting, so need to be stand-ups, or people will lose interest. Abolishing the stand-ups wouldn’t solve this problem – it will worsen it. The only solution is changing the judging system to one that significantly favors damage over control.

Watching the fight I was surprised by Carl’s strategy: not only did he let Palhares get the takedown relatively easily, after that he had full guard and yet decided to go for a Triangle choke against one of the best BJJ artists in the game.  It’s not like he got lucky and Palhares fell into a Triangle position and Carl tried to capitalize on it.  He tried to manufacture it out of thin air.

I have to admire him for his courage and risk taking, but this was very foolish against a guy like Palhares.

Palhares, of course, quickly turned the situation into another spectacular heel hook, showing once again his amazing submission skills.

Palhares again seemed to hold a little too long, though nothing that would jeopardize his future in WSOF.  But the fact that even after he was released from the UFC for this behavior he still seems not to be able to entirely not do it, shows, in my opinion, that’s it’s a bit out of his control.  He is so focused on the moment that he is just oblivious to what happens around him.   When most submission artists feel their opponents’ tap they continue to hold the position but release the pressure, waiting for the call by the referee, thus allowing themselves to continue to squeeze in case the referee doesn’t stop the fight, and the opponent tries to continue to fight, which is not such a big risk since the cameras usually catch the tap (Anderson Silva Vs. Chael Sonnen 1).

But not Palhares.   Not only does he continue to squeeze after the tap, it even takes him some time to notice the referee is pulling his hand away.  It’s not done maliciously, but that doesn’t make it any less dangerous.

What happened in UFC Fight Night 36?  Did it meet our expectations and what are the consequences for the future?

I will discuss only the four fights here which I was looking forward to.

Charles Oliveira vs. Andy Ogle

Charles Oiveira was considered an exciting prospect in the featherweight division after dropping from lightweight, showing high level submission skills and decent striking to complement it.   So much so that he even got a fight against Frankie Edgar despite a loss to Cub Swanson in his previous fight.   But after two straight losses he was sent to the back of the division to show he is still worthy of being considered a potential prospect,  taking a match against Andy Ogle – a relative unknown who has lost 2 of his 3 UFC fights, and was ranked at the lowly #125 FW accordingly.

To show he should still be considered as good as his reputation, Oliveira should have demolished Ogle.  Quite frankly anything else would have been a disappointment.   And something else happened: Oliveira did look better than Ogle, but he wasn’t able to control him for extended periods of time or hurt him.  It looked like it was going to end in a not-too-impressive decision win for Oliveira when he was able to secure the triangle choke in the third round.

This was not an impressive enough performance out of Oliveira against such a mediocre fighter to prove he belongs in the top of the division yet, and the rankings reflect that, elevating him only 6 spots from FW #38 to #32.

Erick Silva vs. Takenori Sato

Like Charles Oliveira, Erick Silva too was considered an exciting prospect, being a very fast, very explosive, and flashy all-around fighter whose wins came in spectacular fashion and very quickly – until he came across the more solid wrestlers of the division, namely, Jon Fitch and Dong Hyun Kim.   Like Oliveira he was sent back in the division to face the simpler challenge of Takenori Sato, who was undefeated in his last 10 fights.

In this short fight Silva made quick work of Sato, leaving no doubt who is the better fighter.   Unfortunately, Sato didn’t show he is a worthy opponent.  The first kick Silva threw hurt him and he went for a desperate single leg when Silva drew closer, and lost through hammer-fist strikes to his head while he was holding that single, which might be the first knock out of its kind.  This performance was less indicative of Silva’s prowess than of Sato’s lack thereof.  If we can learn anything about Silva from this fight is that in spite of Sato’s incompetence he was still able to take Silva down, if only for a second, through that sloppy single he was holding for dear life.  Therefore this fight also doesn’t put Silva back in any interesting position.  This is evident in the rankings as well, awarding Silva just 3 more spots and placing him at #27 WW.

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